On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Loye Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obviously, it's not a small, simple fix.
Contrary to Sarah's assertion, setting focus_on_map to false in
every instance it appears in update-manager *fixes* update-manager:
Update-manager ceases to steal focus when that's
So could you provide a patch so others can test?
Somebody else will have to run with the ball on that.
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On 12/11/2008 07:27 AM, Andrew Conkling wrote:
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Loye Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obviously, it's not a small, simple fix.
Contrary to Sarah's assertion, setting focus_on_map to false in
every instance it appears in update-manager *fixes* update-manager:
Bug 306672 is about update-manager grabbing focus too often, By the
looks of this bug it doesn't grab focus unless told to?
Not correct. Update-manager grabs focus inappropriately, and it needs
to be fixed.
Update-manager steals focus whenever it creates a window. The fix is
to change the
[banging head on desk]
Update-manager doesn't get focus randomly. It has to ask for it. The
window manager (metacity) just does what it's told to do. Anything the
window manager does to prevent focus-stealing is a sub-optimal
solution, but it's a necessary one when applications are written
This problem still exists in Hardy. Because of it, a kernel update got
hosed up.
I fired off update-manager and switched to working on something else.
While I was typing, a window popped up asking whether I wanted to change
/boot/grub/menu.lst. The timing was such that I hit the spacebar just
This bug needs to be raised in importance and fixed. It hoses up
systems, is easy to correct, and has been languishing for two years.
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Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Core Development Team (ubuntu-core-dev)
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PLease don't assign to ubuntu-core-dev. Please.
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This bug isn't easy to fix. And we invested a lot of time in finding a
solution in update-manager/synaptic. But feel free to post a patch to
this easy problem.
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Daniel, unless you know of someone else to fix this, the maintainer of
the package is the right person. In this case, the maintainer is ubuntu-
core-dev.
Sebastien. Two solutions:
1. Remove every reference to grab_focus from:
./UpdateManager/Common/SimpleGladeApp.py, (I show lines 239 through
Please don't assign to ubuntu-core-dev, really. It sends a mail to all
core-devs (including those who don't work on update-manager...). Thanks.
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On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:34:29PM -, Loye Young wrote:
Daniel, unless you know of someone else to fix this, the maintainer of
the package is the right person. In this case, the maintainer is ubuntu-
core-dev.
I'm afraid that is not the right way to respond to this bug report. It is
Argh! Please do NOT assign bugs to ubuntu-core-dev. The spam really
isn't cool.
Launchpad team, please fix the bugs related to this
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/299257), so this doesn't keep
happening!
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Please don't assign to ubuntu-core-dev, really.
I meant to. Really.
It sends a mail to all
core-devs (including those who don't work on update-manager...).
That's a Good Thing (tm). I knew what I was doing and what the effects
would be.
There is no need to take any further action in
order
It already was assigned. mvo will be the one to fix it, whichever it
actually happens to belong to.
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Importance: Undecided = Low
Assignee: (unassigned) = Michael Vogt (mvo)
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Loye Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, the problem isn't metacity. The problem is that update-manager
should not ask for focus in the first place. This is a problem that
has been solved over and over again in other applications.
This is known already. See
2. If that seems too draconian, in
./DistUpgrade/DistUpgrade.glade
set:
property name=focus_on_mapFalse/property
See http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkwindow.html#method-
gdkwindow--set-focus-on-map
This solution doesn't work. Neither does setting set_urgency_hint =
False in
Solution 1 *sometimes* works, but I only remember this bug occurring
sometimes anyway. So it probably isn't having an effect (as I'd guess
that's only having an effect when the original update-manager window is
getting created, which one tends to want in focus!)
Obviously, it's not a small,
I experience in Hardy, no compiz. It is very annoying, because I have
the normal desktop effects enabled, which is generally stable on my
system, but my processor is an Athlon XP, so when I'm multi-tasking (as
always), it makes my music skip, text is slow, it just eats up my CPU
until it can turn
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:45 PM, dbsoundman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I experience in Hardy, no compiz. It is very annoying, because I have
the normal desktop effects enabled, which is generally stable on my
system, but my processor is an Athlon XP, so when I'm multi-tasking (as
always), it
Thanks Andrew, I was citing the effects of the problem just as an
example, the main issue is indeed just that the windows steal the focus.
For me, that sets off that chain reaction, because of my not-so-fast
processor. I would definitely like to see the stealing focus feature
removed.
-Dan
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:30 PM, dbsoundman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Andrew, I was citing the effects of the problem just as an
example, the main issue is indeed just that the windows steal the focus.
For me, that sets off that chain reaction, because of my not-so-fast
processor. I
Okay I just wanted to chime in and add that I also experience this with
Compiz in Hardy. It steals focus not once but at least twice, if not
three times. It is extremely perturbing to work when updating :[
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It seems this is fixed with latest hardy updates. Only those windows get
on the top of others that needs users input.
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That isn't optimal either, actually it's the worst part:
I might be typing something in another application (an update takes a
long time, which is why I minimized it in the first place). If a window
needing input pops up unexpectedly and steals the focus, it's extremely
likely that my last few
I should note that, although I don't know the specifics of the problem
and so I can't say whether it's been fixed, Robert's answer is certainly
not the whole truth. Metacity has no way of knowing whether a window
needs input.
Metacity policy (and also the policy of any other sane WM, as Bogdan
Thomas, the issue there is easy, just write sleep 8; gtk-demo, switch
to your webbrowser to type something and notice the gtk-demo stealing
the keyboard
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You
write sleep 8; gtk-demo on a command line rather
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This should be split into two separate bug reports:
1. Synaptic and update-manager trying to steal focus (they shouldn't)
2. Gnome/metacity failing to prevent some windows stealing focus
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So it's not just existing windows raising themselves, or newly-created
transients of existing windows: even newly-launched applications
shouldn't appear over the top of the current one? What about if, say, I
choose them from the Applications menu; should they steal focus then?
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Thomas: they should only if you haven't selected or started typing in
another window in the mean time (which happens all the time on slower
computers when you start programs such as openoffice).
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Wouter: I still don't have a concrete understanding of what in the
meantime means. Clearly you mean that if focus hasn't changed, and no
keyboard activity has occured, between time A and time B, the new window
should not get focus. Time B is presumably the time when the window
appears on the
Wouter, update-manager is not stealing focus, it's just starting
synaptic which is an another software and there is not easy GNOME api to
use a correct timestamp to indicate that was an user action when doing
that rather
Thomas, applications slow to start should never still the focus no, the
idea
Thomas: starting new applications is almost simple:
If I use the panel to open an application, say OpenOffice, then after my
click nothing should have focus,* because last click was on the panel's
menu window, which doesn't exist anymore. So, if I don't give the focus
to anything (e.g., by
last click was on the panel's menu window, which doesn't exist anymore
That isn't the way menus work, though; you can see this with the menus
of any application. The case you mention in your first footnote is in
fact the general case for all menus-- they always give focus back to
where it came
Bug #35876, first reported on 2006-03-21...
Its been 2 years, and it still isn't fixed.
Does it really take that long to fix something simple as an application
stealing focus?
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Have you tested with trunk and confirmed it still does this?
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on hardy, it still does this.
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I have also noticed this.
The Update Manager steals focus quite a lot. Its a bit annoying.
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Status: New
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Still exists on Hardy (alpha 5, updated as of 2008-03-01) with or
without Compiz.
Extremely annoying. It's only semi-possible to work on anything else
while updates are installed, because every so often Update Manager
steals focus right in the middle of whatever.
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I confirm the bug exists on gutsy and is realy annoying since we need to run
that application almost every day and each time it steals the focus.
update manager is key application in ubuntu so I would expect it to behave
cleanly. Currently it looks like a program from 1980 with subwindows/
This still exists, and is very annoying. IMO, it's unacceptable to be
typing something and have the focus stolen so that you have to refocus
the window you were working on.
I would like it if you could minimize the update window to the
notification area, and it would just go away once the
** Also affects: synaptic
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Status: New
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Contrary to Sebastian's comment in February, Compiz also exhibits this
behaviour, so I don't think the entire blame can be placed on metacity.
Nothing else on my Gutsy system behaves like this, so it has to be
something update manager is doing differently - although I can't figure
out what that
I've always liked linux mechanisms for dealing with multiple windows.
This is not the case anymore since apps are constantly stealing focus.
For example, I'm running update manager in the background while
composing email in thunderbird. I start typing address, puff, update
manager stole focus.
Please do not push bugs.
This behavior is still present (and very annoying) in Gutsy.
-H-
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(and also present in Xfce - even with 'focus stealing prevention' on)
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I still see this problem in Feisty..
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I've reassigned this to metacity in Ubuntu, since that's getting the
blame for this bug.
** Summary changed:
- Progress dialogs steal focus
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** Tags added: focus
** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu)
I can't reproduce this in Ubuntu 7.04 updated to 23rd March with 'Update
Manager' - no version information, no 'About' button.
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