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+ 1 for username. Surely even the most naive user could deduce from
common sense that the folder with their username is their 'main' folder.
I know that we're trying to spread Linux to the masses here but we have
to realistic about the type of users that are likely to convert and I
would venture
Using only the username shouldn't be any confusing as there is the home
folder icon just next to the username. The tooltip could be something
like Your Home Folder and that would make it even more clear.
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So true; this issue is mainly rooted in the GNOME desktop environment and
Nautilus..
Who's willing to start? I'd follow. :D
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OS X also use the username. I think using the username will be a good
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Changing underlying *nix mechanisms would complicate things too much and
could bring a lot of confusion. I believe that the best solution is
something in the line of:
if directory_name == os.environ['HOME']:
icon_name = _(Home)
There is nothing wrong with the term 'Home' for a home directory.
I think the cause of this problem is the translation of the three names.
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I think nathanlee sums it up pretty well in #82. The least bad option is
to go with [username].
This folder name does *not* have to be literal, it just needs to be
*consistent*. It can be a concept that people adjust to after they see
it for the first time oh, 'eric' means all my documents and
My Documents should not be used as most of the files in My Documents
would not be Documents (eg. music, videos).
Home or Home Folder is incorrect, since this implies /home, not
/home/[user].
Using [User] (or My Files, [User]'s Files or similar) would lose
the meaning of the /home/[user]
Note: using [User] not [username] is the only option as mentioned in
numerous posts.
Wouldn't the me menu label (currently [username]) have to be changed
if the Home Folder was named simply [username]?
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What about just calling it My Home? Sure, it's a bit Windows-esque,
but it's a concept the widest audience is already familiar with, does
away with the question of using User Name vs. username, has no
translation issues, still lends a personal feel to the desktop
experience, and can be
Max makes a great point. People are known by their personal names. In
the example, Joe’s friends know him as ‘Joe’. Almost no one would call
him ‘Joe Blogg’, and absolutely no one would call him ‘jblogg’—except,
oddly, his computer. That is not humane. What Joe should see is his
personal name. If,
Actual first name's Home, eg. Joe's Home. If the user hasn't registered
a first name, then their username instead, eg. jblogg's Home.
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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:53 PM, nathanl...@gmail.com
nathanl...@gmail.comwrote:
Here are the options I see. Every one just gives new papercuts.
1. Change the folder it points to to the actual /home folder
- which is a folder a normal user wouldn't care about.
2. Ad 's folder to username
Here are the options I see. Every one just gives new papercuts.
1. Change the folder it points to to the actual /home folder
- which is a folder a normal user wouldn't care about.
2. Ad 's folder to username
- This would assume too much about what a username is. If I have a username
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+1 actual username (as in: the same name the folder actually has)
Whenever I install ubuntu for a new user; they _always_ ask about this.
So here is my reply:
Well, there is this folder, where you keep your files.
It's name is your username. Every user has its folder like that,
Amazingly long discussion .. no doubt someone will be upset after the
change ..
+1 on the short username!
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I suggest Home in Places and Nautilus toolbar but it should remain
user's name everywhere else. As $HOME variable maybe changed from
terminal, but user folder should remain accessible otherwise as well
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Red Hat something used to use username's home which worked just fine.
That's my suggestion.
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The change are feasible, it would be nice if somebody from the
hundredpapercut project would email the proposal to the nautilus
upstream list though so they could comment on it too rather than
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This should be fixed. If we can't do this work upstream, then we should
figure out how to at least make it consistent in Ubuntu. Please note the
priority is Low, and I have not changed it.
Seb128 - please comment on the feasibility of making this happen based
on
I doubt 'Homme' in French makes sense. Home is a house, flat, not a
directory on a computer (which is inside of a home). 'Kuća' in Croatian
is also very... I said it already :)
By same logic:
I doubt 'Home' in English makes sense. Home is a house, flat, not a
directory on a computer (which is
I agree with Ferk, +1
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I believe that a new user to linux might not understand user name alone.
I think it should be user Files, I don't think there is a translation issue,
in Greek it works.
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I've been using my desktop in the english language for years and even
still found 'home' to be a bit off.
I've noticed a lot of people mention personal folder and I must say I
quite like that. Even in our dutch language, it's called Persoonlijke
Map which is also personal folder. Whereas we do
The username idea is not practical.
What if you want to give instructions to teach your friend?
How would you tell him to go to his home folder?
- Go to Places then Mike.
What if the vendor who installed the system to him chose some generic
username to him? what if instead of Mike he put
Ferk wrote 2 hours ago: #70
What if you want to give instructions to teach your friend?
How would you tell him to go to his home folder?
- Go to the folder that has your name
What if the vendor who installed the system to him chose
some generic username to him? what if instead of Mike
augias wrote:
each session is a personalized experience. the person who logs in knows
who he is and understands that a folder with his name on it is probably
where all her or his things are. karmic solved this very well and i
don't understand why it's still considered a papercut.
I'm quite
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It should use a consistent name across the whole system.
+ Proposed solution: use the short username everywhere.
- Proposed solution: use the short
Consider this: If the user even *knows* where in the filesystem their
files are kept is, then they probably also know that it is different
from just /home, and they probably also know that home directory is
the proper name. If they don't, it takes all of 30 seconds for them to
find out.
So,
I just finished reviewing the Greek translation of nautilus and I'd like to add
my opinion after having spent some time dealing with the problem.
It has been said a few times already, but let me stress this once again:
Home (or home folder) is translated personal folder in most languages
I don't know if it's too late to add my own two cents -- if so, then
it's free. :p
When I first switched to Linux two years ago, the idea of the home
directory kinda threw me as well, but then Windows Vista ran with the
concept. Now, I don't have a lot of good things to say about Vista, but
one
Right now Nautilus seems to be using my user-name for ~, while the
Places menu uses Home Folder. I think for consistency's sake it would be
better to mount or link to ~ under the name Home, let's say
/tmp/username/Home would link to /home/username. Use /tmp/username/Home
instead of /home/username
I don't think it should be called Home Folder.
Either Home or username in the Places menu and the nautilus toolbar is
good. As long as there is a home/house emblem, there should be little
chance of confusion with /home. Home is short, easy and clean.
username is consistent with save/open menus in
Julián Alarcón wrote:
And.. how do you will translate Home, for example.. to Spanish?? Casa???
Inicio?? This don't sound good..
The best is Home Folder.
in spanish home folder resive the name carpeta personal
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+1 to username
The whole Home Folder concept is daft, because to me that means /home.
Although I know Home Folder is /home/*username*. If everyone turns to
Windows Vista (even though I hate it so much) it has changed My
Documents to *username* in the start menu and the sub-directories
inside of
Just reading some of the comments (including johnk above) I think some
people are confused over what is being discussed.
the convention /home/username (ie username= johns therefore home =
/home/johns) isnt going anywhere. this will always be the case as every
username on a Linux system must be
Home is terrible. Home directory is a concept, and home is the
unixy terminology. (Remember $HOME?)
Home Folder is also not good. It's hung up on the concept.
The first name is a bad idea, because if you have two users named John,
it'll get confusing.
The full name is good, because it's
This could be useful.
I was pretty confused when I first used Linux (Ubuntu).
Really, it should be the username all across, not home
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I don't know if it is too late for this, but I'd like to register this
anyway: +1 for short username!
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I don't know if it is too late for this, but I'd like to register it
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@Kenden Ineed we have :-)
We recommend using the short username.
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It should use a consistent name across the whole system.
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Is it worth using the Ubuntu Brainstorm website as a method of polling
users to get an idea of what most people would want? Or would you prefer
to make the decision internally to this discussion?
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To make the lists of suggesstions even longer:
* I don't really like spaces in filenames when they can be avoided. Home
Folderwhy?
* why not just the user's name (login name)? Apple does it in MacOS Xand
nobody has to translate a thing (internally we refer to it with $HOME or ~
anyway)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Christian Kujau wrote:
So, Ivanka: +1 on the short username!
I also prefer this solution, glad to hear it is the one being
considered. The user is very likely to understand and recognize their
own username and it doesn't need to be translated. Plus it will be
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Christian Kujau wrote:
So, Ivanka: +1 on the short username!
I also prefer this solution, glad to hear it is the one being
considered. The user is very likely to
And what about Username's Data ? This is easy to translate, there is
no way to think it is the /home folder, and it's relatively consistent
with the /home/username folder...
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virkang wrote:
And what about Username's Data ? This is easy to translate
Regarding translation, 's is common only in English, if I'm not
mistaken? Other languages are more complicated than that - they have
genders.
As for Slavic languages, I guess they'll just ignore English perception
and
Just to add my comments to the din-
I think Foldername, User's Folder, and then Home would be my
preference in order. I think adding folder is redundant and not
needed. As already stated, there is a folder icon already notifying the
user that this is, in fact, a folder.
I think using Foldername
My vote goes for Username. Period. It's simple, logical, no
translation problems, no conflict with /home directory, simple to
explain, and fun.
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Just call it My Files or My Data. The latter may sound too
technical. That is what you are looking for. That is the root
directory of where all your personal data is stored. There is nothing
else there but files. My is a much shorter word for Personal. Personal
is also more vague although
Bungaman wrote:
My Files
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Even Microsoft changed My Music, My Document, My Pictures into
Documents, Music, etc in the last versions of Windows, because that was
patronizing to the user.
I am sure the design team has received enough suggestions now to make decisions
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I like the generic approach. The user's first name, properly
capitalized, is a pretty good solution, as it's not misleading nor
cryptic. No unfamiliar terms whatsoever, and if their name is there,
then it must be their area. It's kind of intuitive.
It's also a nice bridge between the Windows
Username's Home seems a sane choice...
It doesnt get away from the present labels and it is an appropriate label
since it is actually the user's home directory... :)
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Hi,
what I hate about name Home or Home folder is that new users are asking
which folder is it. Is it /home/user or /home? /home is also home folder, but
it is not Home folder.
I suggest to remove Home and variants in the first place.
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I agree with grofaty. The folder we are talking about *is called*
/home/username. We could refer to it as Username's Home.
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This is filed against hundredpapercuts, however it's not clear from the
discussion what the design decision is. That should probably be done
before this is accepted as a papercut.
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@Alex French If such a generic name is no longer defined, references to it in
discussion will be inconsistent.
Do you really think so ? Imagine we're on phone. If I want to tell you
to go to /home/alex (e.g.), I just have to tell you Open the Places
menu, and select your folder. If there's an
Home Folder is not redundant, because Home is a *concept*, not the
actual name of the directory. Home is the directory /home.
So, the discussion here should be limited to the following:
Which is better?
1) Using a generic reference to a specific location (Home Folder means
/home/user)
pros:
The
Following up on what Dana mentions, I suggest we use the user's first
name, which can be determined from user information in About Me if it is
provided, or by taking the first word in the long username.
Examples:
User A: Full name is Johnny Appleseed, username is haxxor, directory is
Would it not be better to make use the user's first name by default? And allow
it to be modified in About Me as an option.
Besides, most users aren't going to modify it unless it bothers them.
The use of the word Folder is a bit redundant because there is already
a very descriptive folder
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'Home' in english is best solution, for other languages it is not bad
translate home, but also a user name is good alternative.
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...Your Home ?
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I have an interesting idea for home folder name: compare the short
username to the first-name in About Me, and if it maches (besides
case), then display the name with capitalization as in About Me. For
example, I have my username as dana (lowercase), and we could display
the folder name as Dana.
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User Home would be a good compromise. Although I think Home by
itself is better.
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IMHO, the issue is that users both use shortcuts from the menu, and have
to browse the filesystem. If we use Home as a shortcut label in the
menu, they may think that browsing to /home using Nautilus will lead
them to the same place as the Home shortcut - usability issue.
BTW, making a bridge
IMHO, the issue is that users both use shortcuts from the menu, and have
to browse the filesystem. If we use Home as a shortcut label in the
menu, they may think that browsing to /home using Nautilus will lead
them to the same place as the Home shortcut - usability issue.
BTW, making a bridge
In Croatian we translated Home folder as Personal folder. 'Home
anything' just sounds plain stupid when translated in Croatian.
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The same translation (Personal folder) is used in French. Same remark as
Ante, Home is not relevant in French.
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Given no other bookmarks under Places have 'folder' appended to them,
why should 'home' ?
If I'm articulating to someone how to find their home folder or answer
the question Where's my stuff?, then saying Click places, then home
sounds logical and succinct. By clicking 'Places' I'm saying I want
Alan Pope wrote:
Given no other bookmarks under Places have 'folder' appended to them,
why should 'home' ?
If I'm articulating to someone how to find their home folder or answer
the question Where's my stuff?, then saying Click places, then home
sounds logical and succinct.
This applies to
Ante Karamatić wrote:
I doubt 'Homme' in French
*blush* *blush*
Maison :)
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Given no other bookmarks under Places have 'folder' appended to them,
why should 'home' ?
I understand your logic and ti does make sense... in English :)
I doubt 'Homme' in French makes sense. Home is a house, flat, not a
directory on a computer (which is inside of a home).
Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
This applies to the English localizations nicely, what about languages
in which home doesn't translate well?
Right. Big difference is that 'Home', actually, can't be translated in
most of the languages. Home, in English, represents 'warm environment
where you sleep and
Home can't be translated so there are only 2 options:
- use personal folder
- let the translator translate home into home if in the target
language the translation doesn't seem ok, like in Italy we do for
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It's ridiculous that people are complaining over how the word Home
doesn't sound right when translated into other languages.
Home sounds perfectly all right in English, that's a good reason for
calling it Home in the English version- that in no way forces
translators to make exact translations of
I think you are are right
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Though it sounds a little goofy to experienced users, I think it would
be easier for new users to understand Home Folder as opposed to just
Home. If I'm helping a friend, I'm going to say go to Music in your
Home Folder. Using Home Folder tells the user that it is the folder
they should be
Whilst I find 'Home' the cleanest way to say it (in English anyway),
it's not entirely accurate.
The directory it takes you to is not '/home' it's '/home/username'
The name for this folder via command line is 'username', so for
consistency (and accuracy) I feel it's best to keep it the same for
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