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I have a thought.
With unity coming up there will be quite a lot of space saved with the
nifty global menu and the housing of the window buttons on the top
panel.
Essentially, the titlebar disappearing on maximize causes the search bar
in firefox (and many other apps, actually) to be right smack
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What about this position?
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in Lucid with elementary installed everything was fine. the notification
shows just under the panel and if volume is changed the notification
goes under the volume notification.
i don't like the bubbles with that space to the panel, it verytime looks
like a bug to me.
is it so complicated to
Jan: I believe the origin of the gap was to ensure that any window
manager icons were still easily visible. Now that the default theme has
the bubble semi-transparent and the default window-manager icons moved
to the left-hand side this is probably less of an issue. It is of
course intention,
BTW, there is a model of an application that I think does notification-
like positioning really well. Mail Act-On is a third party add on for
Mail.app on OS X. Its results window is positionable through a
preference pane option. When you click on the Show results window
button in the preference
Barry, I completely agree with your points, but I feel as though I
should direct you to the Ayatana mailing list to discuss this issue.
It's been mentioned above that a discussion over this design decision
should be brought up on the mailing list. You seem to be quite active in
it Ayatana list, so
AFAICT, only gravity 1 (NE) and 2 (E) actually do anything. All other
gravity values just squash the notifications to the NE (upper right).
The central misunderstanding behind the decision to fix the osd bubble
and not provide configurability is that you know how a user is using
their desktop.
I'm not even using a netbook. My display is 1080I
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Finog fi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Just disabled Pidgin's notifications because they:
(a) stayed around forever
(b) their positioning occluded parts of my tiny netbook screen that I was
using
I must say I don't
The two tier notification system looks particularly bad on smaller
netbook screens. Please consider a less intrusive option for smaller
screens such as putting all notifications at the top.
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Just disabled Pidgin's notifications because they:
(a) stayed around forever
(b) their positioning occluded parts of my tiny netbook screen that I was using
I must say I don't understand your rationale. The choice of notification space
blocks content with which I am working.
This is definitely
Why are we avoiding covering search bars when we're now covering
*content*? This actually blocks out what people are *reading* or
interacting with and is still called a usability enhancement? At least
in the corner, it covers as little of what people might be reading or
interacting with as
Julien or someone else could you please create a .deb file that will
bring back the jaunty notifications for lucid ... the current one are
hurting my eyes and the .deb file for karmic isn`t working on lucid :|
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It will be available in the same PPA
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I have no idea why this is listed as a wish list item.
I would list it as critical for being able to use the computer for more
than giggles and gossip.
This may be great for twits (users of twitter) and folks just looking
for entertainment.
As for being able to anything else on here it is just
I actually would agree with the above comment. I thought some of the
reasoning behind this was that it was covering up Firefox stuff. With
this new placement, though, it's covering up more space than it was
before. I even have a custom-css'ed UI that minimizes the space used by
the top and this
Aesthetically speaking the fixed slot-allocation schema is, shall we
say, less than perfect, as I'm sure has already been stated ad
infinitum. How about moving asynchronous notifications (i.e. new mail
and instant message notifications) to the bottom-right corner whilst
maintaining synchronous
Problem still exists in Lucid.
For most widescreens (16:10 and 16:9), which are becoming more and more
popular, this does still cover the firefox searchbar which was apparently the
reason for lowering the notifications.
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I should be suprised by these things, but i'm not anymore.
They seem to think that we report bugs like this from a sort of theoretical
point of view.
Not just because it annoys us.
Here's a solution:
- pop up a message the first time somebody has a notification, explaining
why it's so ugly.
The default positioning in 9.10 screams broken to me. I was almost
certain some app was wrong about my screen resolution and was mis-
placing the bubbles. I never would have dreamed it was a design
decision.
That said, less customization *is* definitely the way to go for the
masses. Less is more
Just wanted wanted to chime in on a couple of the reasons for the OSD
position decision noted in # 34...
* sliding things around when something else grows is really bad, it is
unpredictable and frustrating for a user trying to look at the thing that
suddenly moves, so:
- synchronous
SilverWave, install notification-daemon and remove notify-osd:
sudo aptitude install notification-daemon notify-osd-
If this wants to remove packages (excluding those starting with lib),
abort the process and run sudo aptitude unmarkauto packages for
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So maybe you could limit it to five simultaneous messages, or something.
Just yesterday I went through this annoying situation, when I was chatting
with a friend on Pidgin. We were sending messages to each other on a really
quick pace, and notify-osd wasn't picking up. Then he left and almost a
Mirco Müller schrieb:
The reason for limiting the amount of on-screen notifications at anyone
time, is to protect the user from notification-spam.
Ongion, notifications you consider to not meant to be passive-only,
should really be proper dialogs (see
Waldir, you should not get any notifications if you've the chat-
application focused.
Nick, discussing user-interaction rationale on bugs is not very helpful.
This is very off-topic looking at the initial bug-description anyway.
This should happen on the ayatana mailing-list. The reasoning for
OK as a workaround I can confirm that manually setting gconf-key /apps
/notify-osd/gravity to 2 sets it to display at Right-Center.
I still don't like it, it is intrusive and does not work in an intuitive manor,
but at least I am not pulling my hair out over it.
This is _not_ a paper cut, this
What kind of usability study could possibly have thought this is a good
idea?
Look it notifies you of its message right? - Good!
But...
Then you go to dismiss it and it does not close! How frustrating.
But its actually worse because it does not even let you click the damn
thing!
No
Actually I kinda like the fact that the notification is just a notification and
you can click trough it.
Maybe a close button could be a good idea though.
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Actually I kinda like the fact that the notification is just a notification
and you can click trough it.
Maybe a close button could be a good idea though.
What happens when the regular part of your interface that you are trying to
interact with is located below the close button? You would be
I would like to see mumbles project working on karmic and also to be in
active development because it gives more customization
but the default should be as it is (in JAUNTY not at all as in KARMIC)
... and if we have alternatives for those that like tinkering then that
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What happens when the regular part of your interface that you are trying to
interact with is located below the close button?
You could either locate the close-button somewhere else (like on the gnome
panel just above) or dismiss all queing notifications when a close-button is
clicked.
I also
What happens when the regular part of your interface that you are trying
to interact with is located below the close button?
Mmm...You're right...
Maybe the notification could unblur when shift or control is hold?
Like this, by default the notification would be completely click-proof but when
If you remove notify-osd, then you get notifications similar to many of
the scenarios described with the legacy notification system
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Because you aren't supposed to dismiss it.
The notifications are supposed to be sufficiently out of the way that they do
not interrupt your workflow.
OK they are not and they do. (Less so when set to display right center)
You just leave them there.
I should have the
SilverWave: Remove Notify-OSD. You will get the EXACT behavior that you
want. I don't understand why you are sticking with Notify-OSD when there
is clearly a system for you that has been in use for some time.
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20 duplicates, there are a lot of people subscribed to this bug who get
emails every time someone posts something. For their sake, please try
to keep comments
Chauncellor #115
SilverWave: Remove Notify-OSD.
Well I would prefer to run a standard desktop and just have this fixed
but if I do as you have suggested I get this:
Additional changes required:
To Be Removed
gnome-power-manager
ubuntu-desktop
update-notifier
That does not look good.
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i am not buying that this was a design decision; no one with a sense of
design or the capacity to see things through eyes would sign off on
this. please just cop to the fact that there's some bug preventing the
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- Currently the notify-osd notifications allot space for the volume
- control/brightness semi-notifications; this is rather jarring when the
- volume/brightness isn't being adjusted, unlike in Jaunty where
- application notifications
I don't know about anyone else, but I've resorted to just using
notification-daemon again. I can't stand notify-osd. Even though using
notification-daemon solves my problem, there is no reason why I should
have to use it anyway. I liked the look of the new notifications. But
I use Pidgin a
The reason for limiting the amount of on-screen notifications at anyone
time, is to protect the user from notification-spam.
Ongion, notifications you consider to not meant to be passive-only,
should really be proper dialogs (see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines).
The
Now the only thing still annoying me is the fact that the notifications
won't accumulate on the screen. It's really weird to have an action happen
on your computer right now and notify-osd only alerting you about it 10, 20
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Now the only thing still annoying me is the fact that the notifications
won't accumulate on the screen. It's really weird to have an action happen
on your computer right now and notify-osd only alerting you about
Thanks Julien! The bug was really annoying.
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I recently played around with Growl [1] on my Mac and I have to say it's
way more behaving the one would expect it than notify-osd. I can
thoroughly configure it and it provides all kinds of nice themes. The
best thing would be a port or clone of Growl to Linux IMHO.
Adrian
[1]
Adrian: Nothing's stopping you. Growl is BSD, so go ahead and port it to
Linux, I'm sure lots of people will be glad you did. But Notify-OSD's
purpose is not to be just like Growl, it's supposed to be an out-of-the-
way, simple notification system, no bells and whistles. While I strongly
urge Mr.
Another side effect of the aesthetically curious decision with regards
to stacks of notifications.
Previously, an application elegantly provided stacks of notifications
via MacSlow's most impressive scrolling implementation and they
dissolved in time according to their arrival.
Now, the
I understand Shuttleworth's argument, but I disagree. I don-t have
hotkeys for volume on my desktop, and I never change brightness. In
other words, I never see volume or brightness notifications, and every
single notification I see seems out of place. I seriously doubt I'm the
only one. For this
Also, another tought I had is to leave Gconf keys for setting
postiion/orientation/gravity of notify-osd.
This way I think that everyone is going to be pleased. Newcomers would
enjoy the results of Ayatana guidelines, and advanced users can aways
use gconf-editor to change the default behavior.
I've recently coded a patch which allows changing between fixed (async
notifications show a fixed distance below the top) and dynamic (the
first notification always shows up on top) slot allocation by means of a
gconf key (/apps/notify-osd/slot-allocation) where 0 is no allocation
(I think
Having read this head to tail I see that the discussion is becoming
repetitive and not bringing nothing new, I think we should push it into
a more constructive direction. I will summarize the most important
points that have been said and add my 2 cents.
#1. The old notify-osd version had no clear
Cristian the configuration option was already provided by julien. we all
so called old users thanks him for that.
if i`m old at 6 month in Ubuntu then
There should be made a sticky thread in Ubuntu forums telling old users where
to find this patch and the problem should be resolved .
If the
Cristian the configuration option was already provided by julien. we all
so called old users thanks him for that.
if i`m old at 6 month in Ubuntu then
There should be made a sticky thread in Ubuntu forums telling old users where
to find this patch and the problem should be resolved .
If the
at #5: I know this is not representative but: There were two of my
friends I brought to Ubuntu last weekend. One of them asked me, if some
settings were wrong with that and if I could correct it. (I did not
ubgrade to karmic by then, so I tjought it were the settings, too). I
just asked the
@sfantu: Thanks for the answer. Yes, I am aware of the patch provided by
Julien and I thank him for that. I am currently using the patch.
However, as I am to understand from comment #55 (
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-
osd/+bug/438536/comments/55 ), if a new official version is
@sfantu: Thanks for the answer. Yes, I am aware of the patch provided by
Julien and I thank him for that. I am currently using the patch.
However, as I am to understand from comment #55 (
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-
osd/+bug/438536/comments/55 ), if a new official
@scott-armitage This sounds great. Before you post to Ayatana mailing
list, post a draft here. Maybe we can help with ideas.
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*#5. The developers says that it's more important that notify-os makes sense
to new users, rather than allowing old users to customize the desktop.
*
The first reaction of a college-mate of me (who has always runned KDE) when
I showed him the new ubuntu was *Hey, the notifications are misplaced,
The funny thing is that the developers think they know new users better
than other users do. Perhaps unknown to them, many of us have friends
and are aware of what users look for. It's pretty clear that the
developers do not.
Whatever happened to the community approach?
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@scott-armitage This sounds great. Before you post to Ayatana mailing
list, post a draft here. Maybe we can help with ideas.
Sure thing.
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I agree with ex-oficio. The notification should just be a stack. Actually, I
thought it was a bug because I was using the beta release.
Maybe some notifications, like volume or brightness, could have more important
priority, so that if they are thrown after a simple notification (like one of
the changes to notifications as compared to jaunty are a seriously
retrograde step. i have just installed juliens fantastic package to fix
this bug and it really is so much better. the correct behaviour should
be that all passive notifications appear in the corner with existing
notifications
Thanks julien much better with the script
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I would like to make a suggestion and consider the points that were
addressed by Marc. Main point for me is that notifications should appear
in a corner. And imo the notifications look quite misplaced currently.
Also I would rather not be able to see the window decoration for a
second than the
Everybody keeps saying that sliding notifications is wrong, but looking at
the sample somebody else posted:
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253
I don't think its annoying or anything at all. I think it looks very nice. I
think this would be the best way to solve this problem.
Groeten,
I don't understand why there couldn't at least be a gconf key for this.
It would be out the way for new users so I don't see any problem with that.
I can't agree more.
For me, Linux has always been about customization. I understand that
default settings are made for new users, but there should
A lot of people say they don't understand the decision to not allow
customization of this; the main point Mark has tried to drive home on this
point (regardless of whether you or I agree with it or not) is that
customizability significantly complicates testing, increases the risk of
bugs in the
Just installed Karmic, and considered that this was a bug. I don't like
it at all -- having notifications occasionally slide is much less
jarring than dislocated notifications.
Most new users will just consider this to be sloppy work, it wouldn't
occur to them that this was by design.
Been using
You're right about that. For example, one of the things my family most
enjoy about Ubuntu is that it allows them to tinker with the desktop,
specially the Gnome Panel. I've heard more than once they
say something like cool, I can choose where I put the clock and the start
(sic) menu. I couldn't
If an usability fix seems a BUG, better do nothing.
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I don't understand why there couldn't at least be a gconf key for this.
It would be out the way for new users so I don't see any problem with
that.
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I have been thinking about desktop effects and how they're set up:
Metacity just has a simple None/Normal/Extra setting for those that just
want to use the computer. But if someone wants more out of their
desktop, they install compiz and the settings manager. I have my focus
follow the mouse, and
Wow, WTF are the developers smoking?
Seriously this is the most retarded 'usability' design change ever made.
Reduce Customisation - what a joke. Ubuntu is quickly dissolving into a
solely new user oriented disaster.
A good OS is one where both new users and expert users alike can feel
@poofyyoda: While I agree with your concern, your little freak-out
there didn't really add much to the conversation, and the tone/language
you used seriously detracted from a civil conversation. Hopefully you
don't behave that way in face-to-face conversations; please try to
refrain from doing
How does growl do it without leaving a gap?
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Jatin, the current build in the Ubuntu repos is `notify-osd -
0.9.24-0ubuntu1', while Julien's build is `notify-osd -
0.9.24-0ubuntu2~gilir1'.
Any upstream-syncs will bump the version number to 0.9.25 or 0.9.24.1, at
which point they will take precedence over the PPA version. If a newer
release
Le dimanche 25 octobre 2009 à 11:44 +, Scott Armitage a écrit :
So, short answer to your question, is that yes, you will get updates to
NotifyOSD; note, however, that you will lose the changes that were made in
the PPA version.
Yes, but I used also this PPA. So if notify-osd is updated,
great thanks for the inputs Scott and Julien!
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Really good job with the PPA :D
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Here's a question, which I've yet to see a good answer for:
What are the synchronous notifications doing in that corner in the first
place?
The rationale for putting asynchronous notifications (what the NotifyOSD
spec calls notification bubbles) in a corner is obvious, and clearly
stated in the
I agree with Martin Ling. Lower corner, lower middle or middle of the
screen would be sensitive choices for synchronous messages. Moving them
to any of these locations would prevent them from messing up with async
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I agree with Martin and Luis. If we are fundamentally differentiating
between these two types of alerts -- which I agree does make sense, just not
the way it is being done at present -- then it would certainly seem
reasonable for e.g. screen brightness, volume, etc. to be located in the
middle of
This is how it is done in GNOME, and was done in Ubuntu before
NotifyOSD, as shown in
http://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/archives/2008/05/eeepc_s_hotkeys/
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=430649
http://www.ubuntudaily.com/2007/02/20/update-on-the-new-gnome-volume-control/
This seems very
I liked the fact that all of the adjustments (brightness, sound, etc.)
were also ephemeral and out of the way.
I find those ways kind of annoying, personally. MacOS pops up those huge
boxes right in my face when I use an Apple machine, and I find it very
much in the way.
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There is the gconf-key for gravity you can set to influence the positioning of
the bubbles. Use these commands to set the key:
(for East-gravity, right edge and vertically centered)
gconftool-2 -s /apps/notify-osd/gravity -t int 1
Seems that no matter where you put them, you will be hiding content.
Keeping them in a single location does enhance predictability for a
casual audience.
MacSlow's code works tremendously well at quickly hiding the bubbles via
pass through.
As it stands now, it is a rather unfortunate decision
Thanks alot Julien for your patched version of notify-osd. It's really
relief to have the old behavior back on my desktop ;-).
Adrian
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Thanks alot Julien for your patched version of notify-osd. It's really
relief to have the old behavior back on my desktop ;-).
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