Michael, I've updated the Wikipedia page you mentioned to include
Shotwell as you suggested.
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I'm just curious if this was fully implemented. I am currently using
F-Spot mainly because it stores meta-data in the image files. According
to the following article, there are three formats (Exif, IPTC, and XMP)
for storing meta-data in the image file:
Yes, it has been implemented. Shotwell supports EXIF, IPTC, and XMP
metadata formats. However, there was a design issue/bug in 0.8 where we
only stored metadata in a particular format if it was already available
in the image file (i.e. if there was no XMP in the fiel, no XMP data was
written).
shotwell 0.8.1 is now in Natty which should fix this issue
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Title:
Please make this optional.
I sometimes tag photos temporary while searching for information and
after I'm finished I delete these tags. The problem here is when the
files are actually changed the backup program will notice that and
backup all those files (and maybe twice!). So for me it would be
@Peter-Alexander: This feature has been implemented in trunk, is
optional, and is off by default. It can currently be enabled via a
command-line option, and in the next few days we'll be adding a
preferences checkbox you can use to enable the feature if you want.
By the way, in Shotwell 0.9
Thank you Jim! That is also just lovely!
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I can't use Shotwell just because that the tags aren't saved inside the
image. I have to use DigiKam instead and I'm not a KDE-person. I would
really like to use Shotwell for all my images, not only for fast editing
and viewing.
Couldn't you create and option for the user to either save the tags
Daniel: Yes, we've implemented this capability in the trunk and it will
be present in Shotwell 0.8, which we're planning to release in November.
If you want to try this in the trunk build, you'll need to run Shotwell
with the --autocommit-metadata command-line option, which tells Shotwell
to save
Adam: That is good news, thank you! And thank you for the tip.
I think I can wait until the 0.8 release ;)
Perhaps a bit of topic, but what will happened with the current
(external) tagged photos? Will the keywords get stored in the file
afterwards in 0.8 or will I have to tag them again?
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The plan is when you first run 0.8 it will detect that your files are
dirty and begin updating the metadata in the background. If you've
added tags, changed titles, etc., they will be written to disk. If no
changes have been made to a photo, the file is untouched.
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Chiming in on the request for an option to strip tags on export. It's
all too easy to tag a bunch of photos with names, locations, etc., and
then export them to who-knows-where without thinking. It would also be
good if it always showed up as a visible option on any export dialogs
@cometdog: Thanks for the suggestion, which is ticketed upstream at
http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2556 , by the way. I've upped that
ticket's priority to high since a few people have asked for this. Not
yet sure whether this will make 0.8, however.
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@Adam: Thanks for the update :)
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Played with this a little. It doesn't seem to write to DNG files. Is
there any hope to get metadata into RAW formats? Isn't this is supposed
to be one of the points of using DNG over manufacturer formats?
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@Todd: Yes, there is hope. :) See http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2622 .
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+1 for both the photos shared over network and my RAW files are CR2
use-cases.
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I just switched from F-Spot to shotwell. And the only thing I really
miss is to persist my tags in the image file. I agree with the Keith,
and would at least have the option to store them on demand. I work in
the exactly same scenario, small eee pc for browsing and tagging and a
NAS to hold the
I also want this feature, but would also echo what themuddler said. As task to
sync metadata on demand would be perfect
This way those who do not want to update the master copy will not need to, and
I can tag files on my eee on wireless, then plug in a cable to run the real
file transaction
I found this thread while looking for information whether or not
shotwell store the keywords in the files presently.
Just to add my me too, i want this feature...
Thx for the efforts.
Florian
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@Dominik:
Yes - if we store keywords in photo files then it would certainly make
sense to store the title there too, as well as other metadata such as
the rating. We've added a comment to the upstream ticket
(http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1290) to reflect that.
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Is it possible to also store the title as Picasa does?
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I share Aaron's use-case of storing the photos on my server at home.
The photos are presently tagged in Shotwell on my laptop. If my wife
wants to browse them in their organised state on her laptop, then I
either need to find a way of sharing Shotwell's db file or to host in on
the server.
@Aaron: Thanks for your comments. Yes, the network sharing use case is
interesting. As for stripping out tags on export, we're potentially
open to that if people want it for privacy reasons. Feel free to file a
ticket for that at Yorba Trac (trac.yorba.org) if you personally would
want to use
I would also prefer metadata to be stored in files, if only to save a
problem the next time that I move photo programs.
More important than my me too, I have an additional use-case. We
currently have a server with our shared photos and we access them over
the network. Any changes to a local
It would seem to make sense to follow the guidance of the Metadata Working
Group:
http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/pdf/mwg_guidance.pdf
http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/
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@Adam and @Bruno,
Thanks for understanding my intent to offer a user's perspective, and
passionate but I hope ultimately constructive feedback.
I think Bruno's suggestion for implementing a user preference, even down
to the RAW sub-option, is absolutely what should be done. If this
feature makes
The single most important function of a photo management app (for me,
personally) is the ability to organize and search for photos by keyword.
If Shotwell does not allow at least the *option* of saving tags/keywords
to the masters, the program will be of no use to me, and I'll have to
stick with
@Adam,
What about making it configurable? Give the user the following options:
- always store tags in original files (and possibly with a sub-option that says
in RAW files too)
- never store tags in original files
- only store tags in files on export
@coffeemonk,
The bug is under review and will
@coffeemonk,
Thanks for your feedback, and no worries - we like hearing what our users
really want. :) Clearly you'd like Shotwell to be able to store tags inside
RAW files. I think that would be great, though as I mentioned above there are
some technical challenges above. In particular,
As long as Shotwell is best effort this should be fine. The 99% use case I'm
thinking of is:
- JPEG files taken from a point-and-shoot camera/phone
- Some existing management (either filenames/directories and/or tags)
- Sharing via web services (Facebook and twitter).
- Printing on a printer
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** Summary changed:
- Use EXIF data for tags
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If we do decide to keep tags up to date in photo files, we will
absolutely update them via a background task: we certainly don't want to
make users wait while that happens! :)
There's another question here: if we do keep tags in photo files, we
need to decide whether to update master photo files
:) I mean, what is the cost of writing 1G? As long as it's done in the
background it shouldn't matter to the user (aside from using energy and
generating heat). There is a small risk of the user trying to access
the file until it's written but as long as that's visually indicated in
Shotwell then
Another factor to consider here: starting with Shotwell 0.6 the user can
import RAW photos from cameras. The exiv2 library can't write metadata
into most RAW formats (run man exiv2 to see a list of formats and the
metadata which can be read/written into them). Writing metadata into a
RAW file is
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