@Gunnar
the patch in comment 21 is not in Trusty. can you merge the patch for
Trusty?
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Status: Fix Released = Triaged
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On 2014-04-08 16:16, Keng-Yu Lin wrote:
the patch in comment 21 is not in Trusty. can you merge the patch
for Trusty?
Well, the simple answer is no.
This bug report was closed almost three years ago, and things have
evolved since. In trusty Droid Sans is the main font for rendering
Chinese,
I would prefer keeping the Bitstream Vera and DejaVu entries, just move
them to a lower priority. It neither solve the problem nor make it
worse, but could leave a reference so that users can change the settings
back easier; also these two fonts may provide extra characters/glyphs as
they evolve.
The proposed solution has already cater this. I am sorry for mentioning
it again.
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Agree with your final solution proposed on #51.
Thank you for your kind attention !
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I have posted your #51 on ubuntu Hong Kong Forum as follows:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11103254postcount=3
so that they will propose their request directly if necessary.
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On 2011-07-31 02:08, poloshiao wrote:
I have posted your #51 on ubuntu Hong Kong Forum as follows:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11103254postcount=3
so that they will propose their request directly if necessary.
Excellent, thanks!
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Thanks for the info.
I see that there is a separate translation for Hong Kong Chinese,
maintained by a separate translation team. This is something I wasn't
aware of when posting comment #46, and now it makes me think that it's
most appropriate to not change the Hong Kong fontconfig file until
1. The opinions to edit the file 69-language-selector-zh-hk.conf:
There is only one positive response to edit the file
69-language-selector-zh-hk.conf and no other opinion shown on HongKong Ubuntu
Forums.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11049945postcount=2
There is another post good for
correction to #49
There is another post good for editing the file 69-language-selector-zh-hk.conf
on http://www.ubuntu-tw.org/.
http://www.ubuntu-tw.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=193370#forumpost193370
The post link should be http://www.ubuntu-
Thanks, poloshiao, for letting us know.
If it's decided to request that the Hong Kong file is changed (and the
Macao file..?), please file a separate bug about it, since this bug
report was closed with the fix.
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Much regards from ubuntu-tw.org to Mr. Gunnar Hjalmarsson.
We have pasted a post on Hong Kong LoCo Team Forum
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11048482#post11048482
to ask them about their opinion relative to how to edit
69-language-selector-zh-hk.conf.
We wish to have a conclusion
This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.43
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* data/LanguageSelector.ui:
Expand the height of the combo box on the Language tab.
* fontconfig/69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf:
Make Chinese fonts be selected
69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf has been changed as suggested, and
judging from the bug summary, which only mentions zh-tw, this bug is now
fixed. However, in comments #1 and #8 also 69-language-selector-zh-
hk.conf and 69-language-selector-zh-mo.conf are mentioned.
Can somebody shed some light
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** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed = In Progress
** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
Assignee: (unassigned) = Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)
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On 2011-04-22 17:59, Cheng-Chia Tseng wrote:
Yes, It is kind of late to arrive with Natty. I accept that the
improved file released after Natty release.
Good, then we are agreed on that.
It would be valuable to know if the trial approach I mentioned would be
acceptable also to those who are
@poloshiao
Thanks for your efforts with the poll!
On 2011-04-22 03:44, poloshiao wrote:
It is 2011/04/21 now, just one week in advance of the scheduled date
to release ubuntu 11.04.
Yes, but even if there had been no voices against the proposed change,
it's pretty intrusive. Uploading it right
Yes, It is kind of late to arrive with Natty.
I accept that the improved file released after Natty release.
BTW, comments are always welcome.
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It is 2011/04/21 now, just one week in advance of the scheduled date to
release ubuntu 11.04.
The final statistic ended till 2011/04/21 about the problem to improve
the square characters when chinese fonts shown is reported as follows:
There are 22 users who support favorablely to the affixing
This is the diff file.
** Patch added: Diff Between Current Setting and
SelectChineseFontFirst+LatinFontsBinding
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/713950/+attachment/2065550/+files/Improved-zh-tw-config.diff
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Thanks for your hard work, too! :)
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@Cheng-Chia Tseng I can confirm the proposed config make the screen
looks the same with current config , and applications without fontconfig
support display Latin Character in WenQin Yi which is fine to me (the
latin character displays correct)
I think the proposed config is reasonable/workable
@Cheng-Chia Tseng
Sorry, I think that is my misunderstanding. you are correct.
I will test your configuration in Maverick, Natty this Sunday.
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On 03/29/2011 12:19 PM, poloshiao wrote:
[...]
A short conclusion with poller-data:
There are still sqare characters shown in the documents or Mojibake in the
path name.
Wish this disturbing problem will be solved ASAP.
So, this mean,
To Hsin-Yi, Chen (hychen):
Test without Chinese (Taiwan) translation is OK. But I don't think you
have to test in LANG=C, because this file should only be provided to the
users who choose to use Chinese (Traditional) support in Language
support. (Or maybe I am wrong?!)
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sorry for my mistyping:
#33 line 12:
Both of you are supposed to be interesting in the behaviors of chinese fonts
with poppler-data installed,
must be edited to:
Both of you are supposed to be interested in the behaviors of chinese fonts
with poppler-data installed,
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Case 1: File Manager display
Result: the same
Screenshot for current setting:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pswo10680/5567004925/
Screenshot for proposed setting:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pswo10680/5567588444/
Case 2: evince with a test PDF
Result: neither has the correct output
Screenshot
Test Case 1:
1. use the setting you would like to test
2. open File Manager
3. take a screenshot
Test Case 2:
1. get the test.pdf
2. use the setting you would like to test
3. open test.pdf in evince
4. take a screenshot
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@Cheng-Chia Tseng,
Can you try install the package poppler-data and try to open the
test pdf with evince again?
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** Description changed:
Binary package hint: language-selector
Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin
fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only
installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font.
DejaVu is a high
For a more complete review and discussion, is there a list of the
software not-working well (besides evince)?
It is good to collect the information so we can see if this is common
issue among those softwares or it is caused with different sources.
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I have installed poppler-data before the test case.
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@Gunnar: Unfortunately I have about zero experience with CJK font
configuration, so I don't have an opinion here. I'm happy to accept any
configuration changes which are agreed upon by Keng-Yü Lin, Aron Xu, and
Hsin-Yi, Chen.
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Can you try install the package poppler-data and try to open the
test pdf with evince again?
For the record, language-selector in natty now installs poppler-data
for CJK.
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@Cheng-Chia Tseng
I want add third test case which the your configure MUST pass, this test
is aim to check ALL software does not support i18n yet can display
English correctly in zh_TW environment.
Step to Reproduce:
1. Install the software does not support fontconfig without zh_TW translation
re-attach the test pdf
** Attachment added: test.PDF
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/713950/+attachment/1949914/+files/test.PDF
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A report digested from an earlier post related to a test with poller-
data
Gunnar Hjalmarsson pointed out in
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/659280/comments/36:
poppler-data has been added to the dependency list of language-selector
Keng-Yü Lin also ask in
** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
Status: New = Confirmed
** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided = High
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@Cheng-Chia Tseng
Can you provide the test case and result screen shot, then I can
reproduce the result easier
here is the example of Test Case:
==Test Case Example Start
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Distribution: Ubuntu Maverick
Packages:
@Aron Xu
Cheng-Chia Tseng is talking about Is it reasonable that Chinese should
font be a first priority in fontconfig conf for Chinese users
I agreed with him in this part but also said we need to think the risk
of this change.
so, the question now to me is does this change bring new side
Nope, I am not talking about the compatibility. Actually Hsin-Yi Chen
(hychen) talks it in #16.
The bugs are still valid (programs showing squares) even we use a better
configuration. (you can see http://www.ubuntu-
This is an improved configuration for zh_TW.
Good part:
1. The best fonts having the characters of most used language are selected
prior to the second one and so one to expand the character coverage step by
step. (Chinese English Japanese Korean other Western languages(eg.
French, Spanish,
I am a Traditional Chinese User, and this is my personal opinion.
I also don't want to edit 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf, and I agree
with Aron Xubug , the repor and fix should goes to upstream application.
the root cause is those application can not show Chinese word correctly
does not
It's a pity that some programs do not work well with fontconfig
configuration. We cannot prevent those programs from not respecting
fontconfig setting. Programmers have the responsibility to design apps
following standards.
We cannot give up a chance to improve the configuration while it can be
For what it's worth, I tend to agree with Cheng-Chia Tseng. It makes
more sense to me to build an OS for the real world, than for a perfect
world that will never come true.
Subscribed Martin Pitt, since I think this is ultimately a policy
matter.
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So the discussion are dating back to the compatibility of broken
applications, but this bug is not relevant. ;-)
If you want to say I give it a reason to change the fonts for it's
better in look and feel, but your ideas behind is it will fix the
breakages and I do not care the look and feel that
There are 15 users who support favorablely to the affixing theme at
http://www.ubuntu-tw.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35654
, but 4 user who exptresses against the proposal to edit
69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf.
There are totally 19 users who signed their opinions about the the
On 2011-03-23 18:57, Cheng-Chia Tseng wrote:
I just checked 69-language-selector-ko-kr.conf.
I made suggested changes to that file be uploaded a few weeks ago, since
there was a patch and people seemed to be agreed.
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/0.15
The configuration
I just checked 69-language-selector-ko-kr.conf.
The configuration has matched the rule I proposed above, so what I said
in #12 is prooved to work.
Dear developers, please CONSIDER to do that for zh-tw, too!
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The fonts having the characters of most used language should always be
selected prior to the second one and so one to expand the character
coverage step by step. It just makes no sense to select other fonts of
minor used languages before the major ones.
If developers of Ubuntu think that CJK
** Description changed:
Binary package hint: language-selector
Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin
fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only
installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font.
- DejaVu is a high
According to #3 Ming-Ting Yao Wei, keeping oblique, bold and italic
tyles of Latin chracters might be needed by some Chinese (Taiwan) users,
so I think that selecting fonts having Chinese (Taiwan) characters
before Latin fonts are better than removing Latin fonts from the
configuraiton.
The
** Description changed:
Binary package hint: language-selector
Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin
fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only
installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font.
+ DejaVu is a high
This is definitely a painful problem for Chinese users, but such
suggestion is not the right way.
IMHO, first of all, this is a bug which belongs to other packages.
Also, this is a workaround, not a really robust solution.
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Well, this is a suggestion on having better zh-tw fontconfig settings,
and not specific to solve the problems which programs show squares for
Chinese characters.
Please just give some advice to have a better zh-tw fontconfig setting,
and not to mix this bug report with other issues. If you think
There are 12 users who support favorablely to the affixing theme at
http://www.ubuntu-tw.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35654
, but 1 user who exptresses against the proposal to edit
69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf.
There are totally 13 users who signed their opinions about the the
This post was originally written by xenomorph0525 and was posted here:
http://www.ubuntu-tw.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=164272#forumpost164272
I help translate it into English and post it to this bug report.
The file
Discussions may continue only about why your proposed appearance on how
the fonts are displayed would be better than the current one and fit for
the majority of people.
Any reasons about it will avoid applications which don't support
fallback should just stop: go and fix the buggy applications.
For the reason 3, the English glyph provided in Chinese font are lack of
italic typefaces (not oblique), bold fonts (sometimes, and not the fake
one), and are usually ugly. It is more obvious if you read documents
written in English in Chinese environment.
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For reason 1, obviously we don't like to have one font contains all
typefaces for all languages, so coverage is an important thing but not
the reason for it is suitable for being default.
For reason 2, this is a quick-and-dirty workaround which causes
regression as discussed in Bug #659280, so
In my opinion, Traditional Chinese environment should be prepared for
majority of the tradtional Chinese users. If what we do can provide a
better default enviroment for the most, we should just do it.
I would like to know the orginal idea behind the lanugage-selector
configuration from the
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I help translate it into English and post it to this bug report.
** Description changed:
Binary package hint: language-selector
Now the setting of 69-language-selector-zh-tw.conf picks up the Latin
fonts first, then fallback to Chinese fonts. By default, ubuntu only
installs DejaVu font family and WenQuanYi Micro Hei font.
However, there is no
DejaVu Serif or other Latin fonts should be kept in Serif, because the
AR PL family fonts are monospaced.
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