Can you please try with 10.10?
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Is the linux side installation completed? Can you get to a console?
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Hi, the logic followed is as per C:\ubuntu\winboot\wubildr.cfg
You should reach the line: search -s -f -n /ubuntu/install/boot/vmlinuz
Since the condition [ -e /boot/grub/grub.cfg ] should evaluate to false in a
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I had patched that in my local branch but somehow forgot to push to the
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(http://cia.vc/stats/author/Agostino%20Russo/.message/1334c), apologies
for the inconvenience, in any case Colin's patch is very similar, and I
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Since it should work when using NTFS, that is the preferred workaround,
I would prefer not to invest time in expanding support for vfat
installations at this stage.
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After 9.10 grub update can not boot into Wubi install
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Here is the debdiff for the upstream patch 1927, Eliminate NTFS 4Gib
barrier, by phcoder (comment #77), the fix seems to be working according
to the reports here and in bug #477169
** Attachment added: Applied upstream patch rev-1927
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Wubi/Karmic boot: kernel panic - not synching: VFS
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The patch has to go through this process
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates before it is made available
as a package upgrade. At that point a normal upgrade will fix the issue.
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For a patch/workaround:
A) get the wubildr in
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/477104/comments/90
and copy it over C:\wubildr
B) ensure that when you boot there is no command insmod ntfs. Press e at
the grub boot menu to edit the relevant entry and remove insmod ntfs
I would like more confirmations that the patch in #90 actually works.
Your feedback is appreciated.
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Meow81, the patch is the one mentioned in
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/477104/comments/77
Which in turns refers to this grub/trunk patch:
revno: 1927
committer: Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko phco...@gmail.com branch nick:
mainline
timestamp: Thu 2009-12-10 14:45:00
I have applied the grub patch proposed by phcoder (comment #77) and
regenerated wubildr
Please try to replace C:\wubildr with the file attached and report
whether this fixes the problem
** Attachment added: wubildr
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Please see if the new wubildr in
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Please make sure that when you boot the line insmod ntfs is commented
out or disable it by pressing e at the grub boot menu and edit the
entry before proceeding.
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Can you please provide a clean error log? There are several logs in
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Mark, what might happen is that ntfs (not necessarily ext4) could be
left in a dirty state with journal items to be committed.
What it means is that if you boot from Windows or a full Ubuntu
installation using their default ntfs driver, those drivers will
correctly play back the ntfs journal
I was never able to reproduce this bug myself, so it is not unexpected
that it works for you, it remains to be seen if the issue is random or
if it was due to some past upgrade.
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To test the above theory (upgraded initscripts leaves fs marked as dirty
at shutdown), you need to go do a fresh installation, go through the
initscripts upgrade, then shutdown, boot from a live CD/usb and check
whether ntfs is marked as dirty using ntfs-3g.probe.
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If you have this issue, can you please post the content of: cat
/proc/cmdline? If you installed onto ntfs, among your kernel boot
parameters, you should have:: rootflags=syncio
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There might be different issues intermingled here. Thanks to your
comments I can confirm one bug:
If your windows boot device (say C:\) is different from the partition where you
installed Wubi (say D:\ubuntu)
lupingrub-mkimage will modify wubildr within the latter (D:\wubildr) instead
of
** Changed in: wubi
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kasi.logu, may I ask for what reason was the status changed to fix
committed given that 9.10 is out?
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Could be related to bug #477104
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Yes that seems to be the case, but I cannot reproduce this bug, and there isn't
anything obvious in the code.
So it's a matter of narrowing it down a bit.
If you follow the instructions in #39 it might help. Hopefully this is
reproducible on your side.
If it is an update-grub problem, it might
Did you try to run chckdsk /r from windows?
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Kech there is a call trace in there, but I cannot read it from the
video, can you post it here please?
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If it is an ntfs corruption issue, you can run chkdsk /r from windows on the
drive containing the ubuntu installation and then try to boot again.
You can access your data by booting from a linux live CD / USB, then mounting
the appropriate windows partition, then mounting the /ubuntu/root.disk
If you have ALERT! /hosts/ubuntu/disks/root.disk does not exist. it is
because when you run the command
linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/sda1
loop=/ubuntu/disks/root.disk ro quiet splash
you need to replace /dev/sda1 with the appropriate partition, /dev/sda1
means that wubi is to
Do you have the same problem in wubi 9-10 final release?
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Kech I cannot see your last video. Can someone please boot in recovery
mode and post the call trace?
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Please either enable the karmic-proposed repository (see link in
Martin's post #88) and then do a system upgrade. Or install one of the
packages below which is appropriate for you.
For 32 bit ubuntu:
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sysvinit/initscripts_2.87dsf-4ubuntu12_i386.deb
For
gissi, kech, does the system completely freeze AFTER the linux kernel is
loaded?
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So it seems that (loop0)/boot/grub/grub.cfg is corrupted, can the others
confirm?
You can also check the file if you boot manually as explained above and then
open /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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Is this a grub error or a linux one? I understood it was the latter.
To be more precise I understood that from grub, without any change, you are
able to load the Linux kernel and initrd, but the initrd scripts cannot locate
the root device.
So I would expect you to end up in a busybox shell
Gergely, I am well aware that grub has a built in shell you can always
use, but what is relevant is what shell you end up into once you have
your error.
If after the error you end up in a grub shell it means it is a grub
issue. If you end up in a busybox shell it means it is a
filesystem/initrd
Note that the weak_mountpoint behaviour has been in since 8.04, it was
reverted in 9.10 by a patch that reintroduced the -f flag. I cannot do
it now, but it would be interesting to fetch the changelog of sysvinit
and see whether the author reintroduced -f thinking it was an omission,
or whether it
The fact that it is frozen is relevant information.
I will check later on, but I do not think that the inability to mount the root
file system will freeze the system.
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McKraught what is the output of
cat (loop0)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
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McKraught, that looks fine, can't you boot with that config.cfg?
I.e. can you do
configfile (loop0)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
then select the first option?
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Please note, I only need reports for people who have the problem, if
somehow you fixed the issue, please do not reply or you will be make
debugging more complex. If it does NOT work for you, please post the
output of the following grub commands:
ls
root
cat (loop0)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
configfile
Hmm, comment #11 shows that loop0 is already mounted,
which means that the steps in #19 up to `set root-(loop0)` are not needed.
What happens if you type `root` in the grub terminal (without entering
any other command)?
I am particularly interested in why you are using `insmod ntfs`, since ntfs
Can you manually mount sda6?
It could be that the ntfs partition is corrupted, boot into windows, run
`chkdsk /r` within the drive where you installed wubi, check that
C:\ubuntu\disks\root.disk is still there, and try to reboot into Ubuntu.
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Try to replace C:\wubildr and C:\wubildr.mbr with the respective files in
C:\ubuntu\winboot\wubildr*
Please let me know if that works
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Do you get any file printout with?
cat (loop0)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
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What is the grub.cfg inside of root.disk? root.disk /boot/grub/grub.cfg
What is the output in the grub console of?
ls
ls (loop0)
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Alex, the fix above is only relevant if you installed via Wubi 9.04 and
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Kevin, I think the problem occurs because you have both an ISO
(Y:\ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso
) and a CD (E:)
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Hmm strange:
11-03 11:49 DEBUG Distro: checking whether E:\ is a valid Ubuntu CD
11-03 11:49 DEBUG Distro: parsing info from str=Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala -
Release amd64 (20091027)
11-03 11:49 DEBUG Distro: parsed info={'name': 'Ubuntu', 'subversion':
'Release', 'version': '9.10',
So can you please try to delete Y:\ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso and
run the installer again?
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I am quite sure this problem happens when you have both a ubuntu ISO
with invalid md5 (e.g. release candidate after final release or
corrupted ISO) and a Ubuntu CD. The kubuntu amd64 was evaluating to
invalid because of bug #465936.
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Untested patch
--- /etc/init.d/umountfs2009-10-14 05:15:49.0 +0100
+++ /tmp/umountfs 2009-11-03 14:58:38.767258508 +
@@ -94,13 +94,14 @@
#
if [ $WEAK_MTPTS ]; then
if [ $VERBOSE = no ]
+ # Do not use the -f umount option here
** Also affects: grub (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
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different kernel or recovery mode and hidden by default, since the OS
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Nobuto this might be due to a different bug. Try the official wubi
release, there should be some wubi file in your user temp folder. You
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What is the output of cat /proc/cmdline?
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** Changed in: wubi
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** Changed in: wubi
Status: New = Invalid
** Changed in: wubi
Status: Invalid =
There is a file size limit of 4GB in fat32 so it is not that easy to
allow more than that. Aworkaround is to convert the partition to ntfs on
your side.
** Changed in: wubi
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Status: New = Confirmed
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Please attach the files in /var/log/installer
Try to do a clean installation with the latest daily ISO
(http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/), at reboot press ESC, and
select 'verbose mode', this will generate more detailed logs. If the problem
happens again,
Jun, thanks for the patch, we will try to have it in for karmic, if it
is not possible, I will make the patched version of wubi available on
wubi-installer.org and ubuntu.com
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** Changed in: wubi
Status: Confirmed = Fix Committed
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Applied patch and tested with English username and could not see any
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Couldn't wait for the ISO, so I tested by using break=bottom and modifying
25configure_init via sed.
I did a clean installation, which used to jam consistently for me.
It worked very well, bunch of thanks to Colin.
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** Changed in: wubi
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There seems to be some instability with the installer
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Can you please attach the Wubi log? It is in your user temp folder.
Can you please try this with a full install/uninstall cycle?
To remove manually see the instructions in the wubi guide:
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Yes this is correct, the code at the moment checks for the Final Release
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** Changed in: wubi
Status: New = Confirmed
** Changed in: wubi
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It is annoying but setting importance to low since there isn't much we
can do at the moment, some mechanism to automatically accommodate for
beta/rc releases will have to be introduced in the next cycle.
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9.10 beta wubi.exe wants another iso than the one it is extracted from
** Changed in: ubuntu
Status: New = Invalid
** Changed in: wubi
Status: New = Incomplete
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TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/441107
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** Changed in: wubi
Status: Confirmed = Fix Released
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Wubi now only shows memtest options in grub2
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/435153
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** Changed in: wubi
Status: New = Incomplete
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WUBI uninstall fails to remove boot options from MBR
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/374168
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** Changed in: wubi
Status: New = Incomplete
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Can't boot
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413297
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Did you uninstall manually (deleting the directory)?
** Changed in: wubi
Status: New = Incomplete
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Wubi in 9.10 alpha 3 duplicates values in installation dropdown.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/410368
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Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: partman-auto-loop
Grub2 is capable of loopmounting devices hence there is no need to
bind-mounting /boot
fstab.d/hostboot has therefore to be removed
** Affects: partman-auto-loop (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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No need
** Changed in: partman-auto-loop (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided = Medium
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No need for fstab.d/hostboot anymore
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428407
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Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: grub2
In some cases, it might be desirable to hide the boot menu even if other
OS are discovered. For instance in Wubi case, the grub menu is shown
after the windows one, so it becomes confusing.
GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT could be used to specify that the
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