Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Erik Andrén
2007/9/27, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... -- Are there any alternatives? Here are two examples: Use SMART (AFAIK, Vista does that). SMART is hardware- and not filesystem dependent. Besides, the implementation of SMART differs wildly from each hard-drive manufacturer. Take

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On 9/27/07, Erik Andrén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/27, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... -- Are there any alternatives? Here are two examples: Use SMART (AFAIK, Vista does that). SMART is hardware- and not filesystem dependent. Besides, the implementation of SMART

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Milosz Derezynski
I second that, it's quite non-intrusive and can be seen (or rather is) a one-time installation option per new user. On 9/27/07, Dominik Wagenfuehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, most users welcome the decision to activate Compiz by default. But others are a little bit unhappy with it [1][2].

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
Hi, (resending... why do mails not get to the ML, automatically?) On 9/27/07, Dominik Wagenfuehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: And yes, I know that you can deactivate Compiz with a few clicks, but why do not let the user decide? Even without that question the user can still decide: Just

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Luke Yelavich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 06:03:32PM EST, Waldemar Kornewald wrote: Isn't a hardware defect the main reason a file system can be corrupted without a crash? There can be serious FS bugs, but aren't those very rare, anyway? What else could lead to FS

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
Was my mail cut in the middle? On 9/27/07, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, (resending... why do mails not get to the ML, automatically?) On 9/27/07, Dominik Wagenfuehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: And yes, I know that you can deactivate Compiz with a few clicks, but why do

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On 9/27/07, Luke Yelavich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 06:03:32PM EST, Waldemar Kornewald wrote: Isn't a hardware defect the main reason a file system can be corrupted without a crash? There can be serious FS bugs, but aren't those very rare, anyway? What else could lead

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 27.09.2007, 10:49 +0200 schrieb Waldemar Kornewald: What about my alternative suggestion? It would still run fsck, but at the same time be less annoying or not disturbing at all. not wsure if you ever ran fsck manually, but you have to unmount the partition you check or at

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Onno Benschop
On 27/09/07 16:32, Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, Am Donnerstag, den 27.09.2007, 10:25 +0200 schrieb Milosz Derezynski: I second that, it's quite non-intrusive and can be seen (or rather is) a one-time installation option per new user. i wouldnt call something you punch into the face of

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
Hi, On 9/27/07, Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 27.09.2007, 10:49 +0200 schrieb Waldemar Kornewald: What about my alternative suggestion? It would still run fsck, but at the same time be less annoying or not disturbing at all. not wsure if you ever ran fsck

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Dominik Wagenfuehr
Alex wrote: One of my clients sent me this quote about Choice: So maybe dictatorship is the only real form of government... This tends to be a little bit to political so back to topic please. But your client maybe does not want to have a choice. Many users want... This is the reason their

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing - why not badblocks?

2007-09-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 27/09/2007 Oliver Grawert wrote: What about my alternative suggestion? It would still run fsck, but at the same time be less annoying or not disturbing at all. not wsure if you ever ran fsck manually, but you have to unmount the partition you check or at least mount it readonly ... so

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Christopher Halse Rogers
On 9/27/07, Dominik Wagenfuehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even without that question the user can still decide: Just deactivate Compiz. ;) The reason is that many people do not trust you (I know, blasphemy. ;)) that you will catch all non working cards. I think the worst marketing for Ubuntu

Re: Graphical installer for the alternate CD?

2007-09-27 Thread Wouter Stomp
On 9/26/07, Michael R. Head [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 05:13 +0800, Joel Bryan Juliano wrote: On 9/24/07, Tormod Volden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same here, I think there's a need for a console-based Ubiquity installer, and a need for it to be accessible on the

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Onno Benschop
On 27/09/07 17:04, Dominik Wagenfuehr wrote: Alex wrote: One of my clients sent me this quote about Choice: So maybe dictatorship is the only real form of government... This tends to be a little bit to political so back to topic please. But your client maybe does not want to have a

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Dominik Wagenfuehr
My point was that if you give people lots of choice they don't know what to choose. I know. :) But currently you have no choice at all with Ubuntu installation (concerning software installation). Or am I wrong? This proposed question about activating Compiz or not makes sense in a testing

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Conrad Knauer
On 9/27/07, Waldemar Kornewald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the current behavior which draws users away (friends who saw fsck on my laptop called Linux stupid and asked me why I don't just use Windows). As a temporary cosmetic work-around, something like forcing the output into a pseudo-window on

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 27.09.2007, 12:04 +0200 schrieb Dominik Wagenfuehr: My point was that if you give people lots of choice they don't know what to choose. I know. :) But currently you have no choice at all with Ubuntu installation (concerning software installation). Or am I wrong?

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing - why not badblocks?

2007-09-27 Thread Alex Jones
I'd just like to point out that it seems to take 40 minutes to scan a 500 GB volume! On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 11:05 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: On 27/09/2007 Oliver Grawert wrote: What about my alternative suggestion? It would still run fsck, but at the same time be less annoying or not

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Oystein Viggen
* [Waldemar Kornewald] Isn't a hardware defect the main reason a file system can be corrupted without a crash? There can be serious FS bugs, but aren't those very rare, anyway? What else could lead to FS corruption? SMART only catches hard drive defects. Some other things that (I think more

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 11:04 +0200, Dominik Wagenfuehr wrote: Alex wrote: One of my clients sent me this quote about Choice: So maybe dictatorship is the only real form of government... Benevolent dictatorship Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description:

Re: Mouse movement quality in Ubuntu

2007-09-27 Thread Francesco Fumanti
Hello Martin, Thanks for your howto. It now also works on my system. (Previously, I only changed the Driver line without commenting out the other Option lines; that probably was the problem.) Have a nice day. Francesco At 9:59 PM -0700 9/26/07, Martin Olsson wrote: First make sure you have

Re: Activate Desktop-Effects: Yes/No-Button?

2007-09-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi, Dominik Wagenfuehr [2007-09-27 10:53 +0200]: In the last time I often read Ubuntu reviews that say that this is some of the bad things of Ubuntu. You really have no real choice what you install in Ubuntu without much experience. This is not a bug, it is a design principle of Ubuntu:

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Milan
And how about using ReiserFS by default, or any other journaled filesystem that doesn't require fsck to run regularly? I'm using reiser3, and I hadn't noticed that fsck was run by default on startup until a friend of mine installed Ubuntu with standard settings (i.e. with ext3). From Wikipedia:

Re: TheOpenCD forks to OpenDisc

2007-09-27 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Conrad Knauer wrote: http://ccg.id.au/blog/?p=88 ... and its Project Lead goes with it, leaving TheOpenCD in limbo. Will this have any impact on Gutsy? Will future releases have the Windows component based on OpenDisc or will Canonical attempt to revive it? We will not continue active

Tracker live search in Deskbar applet by default?

2007-09-27 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Hello there! I've been discussing with Sebastien Bacher whether it's a good idea to enable the Tracker Search Live plugin in the Deskbar applet by default, and we think it's a good idea to discuss it wider here, and see what you think about it. Actually, the Tracker Search Tool plugin is enabled

Re: A responsible use of the incomplete status.

2007-09-27 Thread Sarah Hobbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You know, it's mails like this that make me really feel that it's not worth triaging bugs, or aiming for a reasonably decent QA. It's when you start dealing with ~1000 bugs over a few source packages that this kind of stuff gets interesting. Yes,

Re: A responsible use of the incomplete status.

2007-09-27 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Sarah Hobbs wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You know, it's mails like this that make me really feel that it's not worth triaging bugs, or aiming for a reasonably decent QA. It's when you start dealing with ~1000 bugs over a few source packages that this kind of stuff

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:17:43 -0400 Phillip Susi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Kitterman wrote: ReiserFS is effectively unmaintained. I've switched from ReiserFS to Ext3 for my installs too. While it works well now, bitrot seems inevitable. Scott K Note: This has nothing to do with

Re: A responsible use of the incomplete status.

2007-09-27 Thread Greg K Nicholson
[Minimally-knowledgeable user interjecting here:] Would it help if “possibly complete” bugs were (somehow) easily distinguishable from other Incomplete bugs? By “possibly complete” I mean a bug that is marked as Incomplete, but that has had “some” activity since being marked Incomplete. “Some”

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 27.09.2007 um 22:17 schrieb Phillip Susi: Scott Kitterman wrote: ReiserFS is effectively unmaintained. I've switched from ReiserFS to Ext3 for my installs too. While it works well now, bitrot seems inevitable. Scott K Note: This has nothing to do with an legal issues the

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Phillip Susi
Waldemar Kornewald wrote: Why did the Ubuntu developers choose that particular behavior (fsck every 21st or 30th boot), anyway? IMHO, a much more accurate measurement would be: how much time has the FS spent in the mounted state since the last FS check? Because that is how ext has been since

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Caroline Ford
We are strongly being advised NOT to leave things on standby here as it's bad for the environment. Caroline On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 23:46 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 27.09.2007 um 22:17 schrieb Phillip Susi: Scott Kitterman wrote: ReiserFS is effectively unmaintained. I've switched from

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-09-27 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 28.09.2007 um 00:40 schrieb Caroline Ford: We are strongly being advised NOT to leave things on standby here as it's bad for the environment. I'm pretty sure it takes less energy to have a modern computer in standby for a week or two than to boot the machine and to restore all the

Re: Graphical installer for the alternate CD?

2007-09-27 Thread Evan Dandrea
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 08:44:56PM +, Tormod Volden wrote: The below, inlined patch introduces the boot option lowraminstall which boots the computer directly into Ubiquity in a minimal X session. I would suggest sneaking this into Gutsy, as a hidden and unsupported possibility for those