Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Gizmo Chicken
>> Provided that i386 and armhf won't be supported in 20.04 LTS (which >> seems to be the case), I fully agree that such support should be >> removed *before* 18.10. Those needing such support should be >> encouraged to remain on the current LTS, and not lured to 18.10 with a >> false hope of

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Lyn Perrine
The other question is does anyone test ubuntu on non SSE2 hardware anymore? On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > > On 13.05.2018 05:00, Henri Sivonen wrote: > >> On Thu, May 10,

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > On 13.05.2018 05:00, Henri Sivonen wrote: >> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: >>> However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including >>> but not limited to

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 12.05.2018 18:40, Tobin Davis wrote: I work with FPGA accelerators, both at Intel and for a startup.  A majority of the tools we use (Quartus, Modelsim in particular) only support 32bit (and very old at that).  The companies developing these tools are all too happy to ONLY support Redhat

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Sonntag, den 13.05.2018, 14:33 -0400 schrieb Jeremy Bicha: > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Colin Watson > wrote: > > > > IIRC Steam is also relevant, and I guess that would involve talking > > to > > Valve? > I think our users would be better served by Steam

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 08:42:49PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Henri Sivonen writes: > > If 32-bit x86 support becomes mainly a thing that's run on x86_64 > > hardware as a compatibility measure for things like Wine, it would > > make sense to bring the instruction set

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 02:33:08PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Colin Watson wrote: > > IIRC Steam is also relevant, and I guess that would involve talking to > > Valve? > > I think our users would be better served by Steam becoming a Snap. I

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Ole Streicher
Henri Sivonen writes: > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: >> However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including >> but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go away >> entirely, due to the

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Matthias Klose
On 13.05.2018 05:00, Henri Sivonen wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: >> However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including >> but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go away >> entirely, due to the

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Colin Watson wrote: > IIRC Steam is also relevant, and I guess that would involve talking to > Valve? I think our users would be better served by Steam becoming a Snap. I have more explanation at https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 I suppose

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 04:25:25PM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: > However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including > but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go away > entirely, due to the interdependency or issues with how certain apps > work (read; Wine,

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Walter Lapchynski
On May 13, 2018 7:58:05 AM PDT, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Tobin Davis >wrote: > Are >> we talking about dropping Ubuntu x86 images or i386 packages from the >repo? >> If the former, I don't see an issue here, as the subs

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Tobin Davis wrote: > I've been following this thread for a while, and have some questions. Are > we talking about dropping Ubuntu x86 images or i386 packages from the repo? > If the former, I don't see an issue here, as the subs (Lubuntu,

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Thomas Ward
All: I hate to interject this late in the thread, but I think we need to clarify what the discussion actually entails. On the #ubuntu-release IRC channel, it became clear that the purpose of this thread was not entirely clear, so we need to clarify specifically: Are we discussing dropping

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Seth Arnold
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:05:09PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I do believe that the real question before us is that of dropping the > architectures from the archive. > > However, please note that as of 18.04, i386 and armhf are still supported > architectures by Canonical for Ubuntu Core.

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues, including > but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go away > entirely, due to the interdependency or issues with how certain apps > work

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 05:13:48PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > > So with the scope of this email chain, I would like to request a > > clarification before we go forward much more with this email chain: Are > > we

AW: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Fiedler Roman
> Von: ubuntu-devel [mailto:ubuntu-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Im > > Hello, > > Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for > consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers. > The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and >

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Philipp Kern
On 5/12/18 5:31 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: > HDDs consume more energy than SSDs; [...] Unless it's NVMe. > similarly newer (faster clock/dynamicly clocked, and operating at a lower > voltage / amps) RAM > consume less energy. Didn't RAM power consumption go up with frequency and especially

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Tobin Davis
I've been following this thread for a while, and have some questions. Are we talking about dropping Ubuntu x86 images or i386 packages from the repo? If the former, I don't see an issue here, as the subs (Lubuntu, core, etc) can still build release images. But if Ubuntu is dropping i386

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Ian Bruntlett
Hi Nrbtx et al, On 9 May 2018 at 21:59, Nrbrtx wrote: > Dear Bryan and all! > > Please do not forget about some special hardware configurations such as > Thin Clients. > For example we use about 50 machines as Fat LTSP clients with Intel > Celeron and Intel Atom. Their RAM is

Re: Bug#881692: command-not-found: I re-wrote command-not-found

2018-05-13 Thread Julian Andres Klode
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 03:19:13PM +, Shawn Landden wrote: > I re-wrote command-not-found in C. It consists of two C programs: > command-not-found, which gets triggered by bash, and > update-command-not-found, which digests the data obtained with apt-file > update. > > AFAIK there is only one

Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-13 Thread Gizmo Chicken
> I believe deleting i386 and armhf before 18.10 is the politest thing to do Provided that i386 and armhf won't be supported in 20.04 LTS (which seems to be the case), I fully agree that such support should be removed *before* 18.10. Those needing such support should be encouraged to remain on