python-zopeinterface - apparent dependency resolution error

2009-09-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
Did anyone else see this recently in Karmic? python-apport wouldn't upgrade automatically due to a chain of dependency weirdness which led to python-zopeinterface and python-zope.interface. -- - mdz atomicity:[~/src] sudo apt-get install python-apport Reading package lists... Done Building

Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

2009-03-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:38:44PM +, Chris Jones wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: our best practices for reporting bugs. In particular, reporting bugs directly to Launchpad is usually *NOT* the best approach. This should only Perhaps Launchpad could specifically discourage this within

Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

2009-03-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:46:05PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009 11:08:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:38:44PM +, Chris Jones wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: our best practices

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 05:25:05PM -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: Who makes the final call on the inclusion of Empathy in Intrepid? The desktop team, or if they can't decide, the technical board can help advise. Where does that discussion happen? ubuntu-desktop@, #ubuntu-desktop, desktop team

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-13 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 07:41:18AM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == A suggestion was made to the technical board that Ubuntu could be smarter about how and when it performs filesystem

Re: ext4 in Intrepid?

2008-08-13 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 09:32:31AM +1000, Chris Jones wrote: I've been following the development of ext4 for what seems like an eternity. From what I understand, the latest Fedora 9 release features ext4 support. So too do many other popular distros. And what I can't understand is why

Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:09:19PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == A suggestion was made to the technical board that Ubuntu could be smarter about how and when it performs filesystem

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:57:36PM +1000, Ian Chennell wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:09:19PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Some of the other ideas which have been proposed are: Run fsck

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 06:17:36PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ti, 2008-08-12 kello 15:07 +0100, Matt Zimmerman kirjoitti: Indeed. The best we could do in a scenario like this would be to flag the filesystem dirty so that it gets checked the next time it's possible. I assume you mean

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-11 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:12:57PM +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Hello everyone, Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop. The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give empathy a

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-11 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:26:56AM -0700, Dane Mutters wrote: Hello. I've been following along with this empathy discussion, and for my own testing purposes have made some hardy packages for empathy (and all its deps that aren't found in the repos). I would like to upload them to my ppa so

Re: passwd -l

2008-08-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:27:17AM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/238755 summary: * cronjobs are broken for system that has a 'passwd -l root' with hardy http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/330437 * the implematation of

Re: Did we really release 8.04?

2008-07-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 12:10:45PM +0300, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: If you were unaware that this was going on, perhaps we could do a better job of communicating this type of effort with the public. I would suggest a kind of summary of bugs (and their progression

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:13:00AM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: 2008/7/9 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As far as I'm aware, Windows provides no tools or infrastructure to make this easier. It is completely up to the ISV how their software is installed, and many of them detect

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 01:45:55PM +0200, Pär Lidén wrote: 2008/7/8 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There is a 'regression' tag, and we do try to prioritize these on an ad-hoc basis, but understand that with such incomplete information, it's difficult at best. Ok, I haven't seen

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 09:47:56AM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: 2008/7/8 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [package multiple versions of everything] This sounds simple enough, but the implementation gets complex very quickly, as does future maintenance and support. It is a lot

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 10:19:46AM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 09:47:56AM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: There is already system for handling that - /etc/alternatives/. According to my

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:20:06AM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, nothing as esoteric as alternatives should be exposed in the desktop, any more than should reordering symlinks in /etc/rc?.d. Isn't

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:48:03PM +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Il giorno lun, 07/07/2008 alle 18.04 +0100, Matt Zimmerman ha scritto: Instead, we focus on defining a subset of functionality which can be tested in practice. You can find the corresponding test plans here: https

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 04:54:46PM +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: This is easy to say, but consider carefully what it would mean in practice. How could we implement such a policy in Ubuntu? Before we can even begin to estimate the effort required in order to achieve this, we would need to

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 04:13:23PM +0200, Pär Lidén wrote: 2008/7/8 Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:00:00PM -0500, Luke L wrote: Ceteris paribus, regressions should have a higher priority than normal bugs. I totally agree. It's hard to argue

Re: Did we really release 8.04?

2008-07-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 08:30:28AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: This is not sustainable in the long term. Before long people will be saying, Everyone know not to upgrade Ubuntu until the first point release. Then we don't get the end user base to test until .1 and we have to bugfix from

Re: Securely downloading Ubuntu

2008-01-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 10:39:03AM -0700, Neal McBurnett wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 05:20:52PM +, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 09:28:48AM -0700, Neal McBurnett wrote: (I'm all in favor of moving to SHA256 or whatever is considered best practice these days. I've

Re: Strawman: merge main and universe

2007-12-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:24:56PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: The distinction between main and universe is instead done based on support. But what does this actually mean? Our terminology on this needs a bit of cleanup, but the relevant distinction here is maintenance. This means that,

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 08:21:54PM +1100, Serge de Souza wrote: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/163042 basically a bad push and permissions were changed on the debs to prevent them from being downloaded. Wouldn't a new release without the broken packages fix the

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 12:14:41PM +0100, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): Preparing and testing a new update is something which takes time, and should not be rushed. This temporary emergency measure (which is admittedly confusing for users) prevents further downloads

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 12:57:32PM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 17.11.2007 um 11:33 schrieb Matt Zimmerman: - This regression only affects specific configurations (apparently those using the deprecated smbfs module) Obviously a pretty common configuration, as I'm looking at a fresh

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 11:24:07AM -0400, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: It seems like there has been a lot of complaints about how the update-manager handles the 403 error. Considering the only time the 403 would normally occur is this situation, maybe the update manager could be smarter about

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 01:05:01PM +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote: in edubuntu we face the fact that governments and schools start rolling out really huge deployments in the near future (see macedonia with a total of 185000 systems for example), if you maintain 5000 seats in one school or 1

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:53:14PM -0500, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: If this was actually checked against a local web of trust (like OpenPGP or Gaim-OTR keys or else) it may become interesting. But who uses that safely ? :) All packages downloaded by APT are authenticated using PGP keys provided

Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995

2007-10-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 06:17:24PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 17:27 -0700, Martin Olsson wrote: I really really would like to see BACKSPACE as BACK working in Firefox. I think this is the kind of polish bug that makes a lot of people stay away from ubuntu

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 05:14:01PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 04:58:21PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 09:57:42PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: This is the approach of apt

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 07:19:23PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: OK, now I understand what you mean. Yes, you can provide One Click Installer installation file which has only information which package to install and does not contain any repository information. This should cover the second

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:01:35PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: I would like to share with you the project I have been working for some time now which I think could help solving bug #1. The problem: - Users coming from Windows (and in general beginners) want installation of applications

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Fwd: Draining the font swamp

2007-05-28 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 08:52:48AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: (sorry for the crosspost. Please reduce if inappropriate) Thanks for cross-posting; this issue applies to Debian as well, and we would appreciate input from the Debian community. I wasn't aware of pkg-fonts-devel. -- - mdz

Re: [USN-464-1] Linux kernel vulnerabilities

2007-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:27:45PM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: Hello The kernel security update [USN-464-1] is missing s.th. This is known to the security team, and being worked on. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or

Re: URGENT !!! : [USN-464-1] Linux kernel vulnerabilities

2007-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 10:31:37AM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: now i $ aptitude install linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic and now nvidia is broken !! You installed the new kernel, but forgot to install the corresponding restricted-modules package. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: New applet at gnome panel

2007-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
You have misunderstood. Lumír is not asking how to get this applet into Ubuntu. It sounds like the question is how to customize the CD to include this additional applet by default. I believe some documentation already exists, as well as some tools. On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 08:07:40PM +0800,

Re: URGENT !!! : [USN-464-1] Linux kernel vulnerabilities

2007-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 11:22:30PM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote the following on 27.05.2007 22:48 now i $ aptitude install linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic and now nvidia is broken !! You installed the new kernel, but forgot to install the corresponding restricted

Re: Technical Board meeting minutes, 2007-05-22

2007-05-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 07:07:23PM +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: On do, 2007-05-24 at 15:01 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:20:58PM +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: On di, 2007-05-22 at 21:59 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: The members of the Board

Re: Draining the font swamp

2007-05-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 01:31:08PM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: Op zaterdag 19-05-2007 om 12:34 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Matt Zimmerman: There has been some confusion and dissatisfaction over the treatment of fonts in Ubuntu for a some time now, and no common understanding of how

Re: Draining the font swamp

2007-05-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
I received this reply off-list; it was only sent to pkg-fonts-devel. Copying back to ubuntu-* as well, as it's very informative. -- - mdz ---BeginMessage--- pgpFnfiU3AlJz.pgp Description: PGP message ---End Message--- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: Technical Board meeting minutes, 2007-05-22

2007-05-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:20:58PM +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: On di, 2007-05-22 at 21:59 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: The members of the Board recognized that they have been inconsistent about keeping minutes and thereby communicating decisions to the community. MDZ volunteered

Re: Broken Packages Dependencies

2007-05-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 12:39:21PM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: Alec Wright wrote the following on 19.05.2007 12:10: Is anyone else having these problems in gutsy: http://pastebin.ca/496576 Should I file a bug report? Broken dependencies are quite usual in development releases. e.g. package

Draining the font swamp

2007-05-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
There has been some confusion and dissatisfaction over the treatment of fonts in Ubuntu for a some time now, and no common understanding of how to improve the situation. I spent a little time thinking about this today, and would like to present some questions whose answers I hope will help us to

Re: Putting security-based applications as a separate menu entry rather than in Accessories

2007-05-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 12:49:50AM +0530, shirish wrote: Hi all, What do you guys think of putting things like keyring manager, GPA (GNU Privacy Assistant), Seahorse, and other security-based softwares in a separate menu entry titled Security where all security-based tools including

Re: Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded Edition

2007-05-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:21:24AM +0100, Ben Francis wrote: In the Ubuntu Weekly News: Issue #39 there was an announcement of the Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded Edition. The link to the mailing list announcement was broken and I think it should have been

Re: Jackd - update 7.04 repository with version 0.103.0 compiled with default tmpdir=/dev/shm

2007-05-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
7.04 has already been released, and will now only be updated for security and high-impact bug fixes. If UbuntuStudio requires newer software, it must either be based on gutsy, or use a supplementary repository (such as feisty-backports, or a dedicated repository of your own, perhaps hosted in

Re: Proposal: Ubuntu Metadistribution

2007-04-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 01:27:52PM +0200, Gueven Bay wrote: No, this not an abstract thing. And no, there are not many free operating systems based on Ubuntu (SIC! because Ubuntu is basing on an operating system) : There is only one at this moment: Linux (or better GNU/Linux). With my

Re: Proposal: Ubuntu Metadistribution

2007-04-26 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 08:13:13AM +0200, Gueven Bay wrote: So what is it that you are proposing specifically? What I want is to combine the worlds of several free operating systems with the philosophy of Ubuntu: ease of use, shiny new releases every eye blink , cool community, business

Re: texlive

2007-04-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
for this? Perhaps Matt Zimmerman or Martin Pitt could give us some guidence here. A main inclusion report should be sufficient; if Debian has made the package dependency transition then that should be pulled in during the merge. The remaining work (looking after it in Ubuntu, pulling in any additional

Re: Standardised Hardware Support Spec - Please Review

2007-04-06 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 04:37:19PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 15:20 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Similarly, I don't see how a new set of metapackages for every supported device (even if that were possible) helps to simplify this. You say that as if it isn't

Re: feisty + GUI performance in VMware player

2007-04-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 11:15:23AM +0200, Petr Hrdlička wrote: Hello Team, since last updates from this morning, yesterday and last Partial Update I'm experiencing very low performance of GUI. This drives me little bit crazy. Even the mouse cursor isn't moving smoothly. I'm running feisty

Re: Standardised Hardware Support Spec - Please Review

2007-04-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 12:57:06PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: This comes about as more and more people question why their computer starts bluetooth services when they don't have a bluetooth device, or why I have a HP printer driver control panel applet, or a Palm Pilot sync applet, or PCMCIA

Re: Standardised Hardware Support Spec - Please Review

2007-04-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:24:19PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: (As a side thought, I'm not sure what constitutes common hardware, but I for one don't know a single person who owns a Palm device.) I can see two or three Treos from here. Whether they work with gnome-pilot is another story, but if

Re: Error in wiki page DebuggingProgramCrash?

2007-03-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 07:11:23PM +0200, Christoffer Sørensen wrote: Hi, I noticed the following on the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash Install the needed .debs (they will be in the current working directory if the build succeeded): sudo debi package*.changes

Re: Ubuntu Policy on binary driver bugs

2007-03-28 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 12:10:29AM +0100, Sitsofe Wheeler wrote: After reading yet another series of threads regarding the NVIDIA binary drivers I would like to ask: What the Ubuntu position is towards binary driver bugs?. Does Ubuntu take a similar stance to Red Hat whereupon the moment you

Re: Bug Tags, especially 'bitesize'

2007-03-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:47:58PM +0100, Daniel Holbach wrote: Hello everybody, a lot of teams have been using the tags feature of Malone to better organise their workflow. In an attempt to agree on common tags for the same thing, the BugSquad, the MOTU team, the Desktop team and others

Re: Release notes should warn against installing Ubuntu on old machines

2007-03-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 10:12:15PM +, Sitsofe Wheeler wrote: Ubuntu can have serious problem when installed on machines whose BIOSes cannot read files past the 1023rd cylinder. This is a well known problem and there have been a fair few reports of this problem listed on the forums as well

Re: Java obviously not working

2007-03-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 04:28:53PM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: /tmp/isijp053E/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory This is running a Java VM included in the application, not

Re: Technical Board decisions

2007-02-28 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:49:51PM +, Matthew East wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 09:31 -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: * However, new infrastructure will be implemented which allows the user to trivially enable both enhanced desktop effects and the necessary driver support

Re: More explicit names for iso images ?

2007-02-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 04:08:03PM +, john levin wrote: Laurent wrote: Hello Now, every iso files of feisty (for instance) are named feisty-desktop-i386.iso. This is the same name for Ubuntu Herd-3 and Kubuntu Herd-4. I think that names should be more

Re: Handling crash reports

2007-02-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 04:29:03PM -0600, David Farning wrote: This is follow up to the changing nature of bug reports from a few weeks ago. On the Mozillateam our triagers are getting swamped with automatic crash reports. I would like to make a few suggestions that would greatly help our

Re: restarting firefox

2007-02-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:37:01PM -0600, David Farning wrote: A number of browser related bug seem to caused by not restarting the browser after updating some packages in the system. These packages seem to be firefox itself, some themes, and some fonts. Until the mozillateam gets these