Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/7/09 10:38 PM, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: I think it would be cool, but are there any reasons against this? I can think of two right off the top of my head: 1) it would consume large quantities of engineering resources that could be better used on other things;

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread John Moser
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Lefty (石鏡 ) le...@shugendo.org wrote: On 12/7/09 10:38 PM, Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote: I think it would be cool, but are there any reasons against this? 2) the number of people who would derive even the slightest bit of benefit from it

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread Patrick Goetz
Subject: Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port? From: John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:07:44 -0500 you know the microkernel arguments, and they're actually pretty considerable. The idea of a system that's easier to maintain (face it, operating systems are huge now

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread Randall Ross
There is another important and non-technical dimension that we should consider as a community when we discuss the kernel, or its replacement. Marketing. (Yes the word now officially appears on a developer mailing list ;) Two experiments: 1) Say the word Linux to an average (non-technical)

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Patrick Goetz pgo...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: Subject: Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port? From: John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:07:44 -0500 you know the microkernel arguments, and they're actually pretty considerable.  The idea

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:11 -0500, John Moser wrote: This is actually a core part of my argument: Linux is working, the fact that HURD or Minix Could be better Given that Linux is *working*, which is what we want from a kernel, don't you mean that HURD or Minix Could be *as good* ? Scott --

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Scott James Remnant sc...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:11 -0500, John Moser wrote: This is actually a core part of my argument:  Linux is working, the fact that HURD or Minix Could be better Given that Linux is *working*, which is what we want

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 14:48 -0500, John Moser wrote: Linux works, but if we believe (or verify... actually it's been verified) that there are any cases where a driver can crash (i.e. disk driver, net driver, both have been made buggy to demonstrate) and the system can recover, with zero risk

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Scott James Remnant sc...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 14:48 -0500, John Moser wrote: That's certainly how things are supposed to work.  A lot of this kind of robustness comes from the requirement to support SMP systems, and make I'm not talking

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread Alexandre Strube
: Supporting a GNU Hurd port? From: John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:07:44 -0500 you know the microkernel arguments, and they're actually pretty considerable. The idea of a system that's easier to maintain (face it, operating systems are huge now; smaller chunks

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-09 Thread Davyd McColl
I'd just like to add probably-not-even-two-cents-worth: Whilst I personally can't see any immediately viable (read: in the next 10 years, if ever) work to use HURD (*shudder*) or MINIX, the OP might get some satisfaction from Nexenta (http://www.nexenta.org). From what I've read (project

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-08 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 01:38 -0500, Danny Piccirillo wrote: A GNU Hurd port may not be for most users, but i was wondering if we had the resources to support such a port as Debian does, and if it would be worth the effort. I think it would be cool, but are there any reasons against this?

Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-07 Thread Danny Piccirillo
I'm not sure if this has been discussed on here before, but i started a discussion on the forums a while ago: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1096370 and filed a bug on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/343452 and someone created a blueprint:

Re: Supporting a GNU Hurd port?

2009-12-07 Thread Christopher Chan
Danny Piccirillo wrote: I'm not sure if this has been discussed on here before, but i started a discussion on the forums a while ago: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1096370 and filed a bug on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/343452 and someone created a blueprint: