Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 04.12.2007 um 07:58 schrieb Dane Mutters: On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 15:57 +0100, Jonas Jørgensen wrote: I would consider partition editing a basic feature that should be provided by the operating system For advanced users, I agree. For average users, partitioning is something they

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Onno Benschop
On 04/12/07 17:30, Markus Hitter wrote: As drives come partitioned off the store, why should a normal user have a need to change this partitioning at all? Well, for one, how are you supposed to tell Ubuntu that you have just installed a new HDD? (Other than opening up fstab and editing it

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Jonas Jørgensen
On Dec 4, 2007 9:30 AM, Markus Hitter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 04.12.2007 um 07:58 schrieb Dane Mutters: On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 15:57 +0100, Jonas Jørgensen wrote: I would consider partition editing a basic feature that should be provided by the operating system For advanced users, I

Boot with a degraded raid 5

2007-12-04 Thread Ben Ben
Hi all I have setup 2 software raids (5 and 0) with 3 hard disks (120, 160, 250 Go) on my gutsy box. The raid 5 array (md0) contains the root system, and the raid 0 array (md1) is mounted as a storage (unused) partition. The /boot partition is a normal ext3 partition, present on each disk

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 04.12.2007 um 09:51 schrieb Onno Benschop: On 04/12/07 17:30, Markus Hitter wrote: As drives come partitioned off the store, why should a normal user have a need to change this partitioning at all? Well, for one, how are you supposed to tell Ubuntu that you have just installed a new

Re: Clarification over Alpha 1 and dual monitors

2007-12-04 Thread Sidarth Dasari
Christopher Halse Rogers wrote: As for the original question: you can create an xorg.conf X will use it. You could also try the System-Administration-Screens Graphics program, which should set it up for you. File bugs if it doesn't work :). Well, I dont think its detecting my setup

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-12-04 Thread HggdH
On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 22:55 +, (=?utf-8?q?=60=60-=5F-=C2=B4=C2=B4?=) -- Fernando wrote: Dane , you can manually bypass this by using tune2fs, and disable the fsck on your server. Yes, indeed this will do the trick. But it requires knowledge of some quite arcane utilities -- not usually

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-12-04 Thread Devin Beaulieu
Couldnt fsck be run periodically in read-only mode during normal operation (ie. while the disks are mounted), and if an error is detected ask for a restart so fsck will be run during boot-up? I am not aware of how fsck operates, so this may not be possible. On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 08:40 -0600,

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-12-04 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:40:25AM -0600, HggdH wrote: I am guessing what we would need here is a reanalysis of how the checks are done, and what could be changed to minimise the impact of such checks. I would expect changes in the filesystems also. You're right - a deeper analysis is needed.

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-12-04 Thread Dane Mutters
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 08:03 -0700, Neal McBurnett wrote: You're right - a deeper analysis is needed. And this issue has at least one official blueprint: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/prompt-for-fsck-on-shutdown https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoFsckspec You can try

Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released

2007-12-04 Thread Conrad Knauer
On Dec 3, 2007 7:34 AM, Ped [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From forum post I learned the sagem modem *did* work in 5.xx ubuntu (probably 2.4 kernel with eagle-usb driver) right after install, but when I did install 6.10 first time on my PC, it took me 5 days to connect to internet finally. The

Re: Boot with a degraded raid 5

2007-12-04 Thread ben.div
Woh ! Absolutely nobody can help me on this question ? I've already asked about this on 4-5 lists or forums, and I've cumulated : 0 answer. Where could I find help on this subject ? The kernel team ? Who has developped this part (boot on initramfs and device detection) ? I'm stucked on that

Re: Boot with a degraded raid 5

2007-12-04 Thread Phillip Susi
ben.div wrote: Woh ! Absolutely nobody can help me on this question ? I've already asked about this on 4-5 lists or forums, and I've cumulated : 0 answer. Where could I find help on this subject ? The kernel team ? Who has developped this part (boot on initramfs and device detection) ?

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Caroline Ford
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 11:59 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 04.12.2007 um 10:11 schrieb Jonas Jørgensen: A normal/average user won't ever use GParted, nor will they ever use many of the other tools in System-Administration -- but that isn't an argument for not including those tools.

RFC: Thunderbird, mail.prompt_purge_threshhold=true

2007-12-04 Thread Thilo Six
Hi With a recent thread on ML i came again across a problem with Thunderbird that i had myself 1 or 2 years ago. Thunderbird uses mailbox files to store mails and an aditionally *.msf file for meta data of that mbox-file. Now when you delete a mail in TB it only disappears in the mail pane but

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 04.12.2007 um 22:12 schrieb Caroline Ford: An advanced windows user knows how to install new hard drives, [...] Yes. Ubuntu says it exists to make _un_experienced users productive. new drives should just work. gparted won't help here. If you want to make sure new, even unformatted

Re: regular fsck runs are too disturbing

2007-12-04 Thread Evan
Autofsck does look like the way to go. Especially nice would be the option to run a manual fsck, although that might already be an option ('a test can be run' or is that something else?). I'm definitely in favour of this. On Dec 4, 2007 11:50 AM, Dane Mutters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue,

Re: RFC: Thunderbird, mail.prompt_purge_threshhold=true

2007-12-04 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:46:56PM +0100, Thilo Six wrote: Hi With a recent thread on ML i came again across a problem with Thunderbird that i had myself 1 or 2 years ago. Thunderbird uses mailbox files to store mails and an aditionally *.msf file for meta data of that mbox-file. Now

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Jan Claeys
Op dinsdag 04-12-2007 om 11:59 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Markus Hitter: Gutsy doesn't come with a working C compiler either, which I'd consider far more essential than a graphical partition editor (think about installing non-packaged software). Actually, GCC is available in the small

Re: Clarification over Alpha 1 and dual monitors

2007-12-04 Thread Sidarth Dasari
As for the original question: you can create an xorg.conf X will use it. You could also try the System-Administration-Screens Graphics program, which should set it up for you. File bugs if it doesn't work :). Well I got it to detect both monitors for a little bit. At first all it

Re: Patent issues with automatic codec installation

2007-12-04 Thread Chris Jones
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 08:20 -0400, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: Right and thats what we do but GNU/Linux isn't about breaking the law. On Dec 4, 2007 5:47 AM, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't saying that paying Fluendo is silly etc. If people wish to

Re: RFC: Thunderbird, mail.prompt_purge_threshhold=true

2007-12-04 Thread Jan Claeys
Op dinsdag 04-12-2007 om 21:46 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Thilo Six: 2 gig is approximately where we come to filesystem limitations (max size per file) Actually, the (default) filesystem file size limit is at 2 TiB instead of 2 GiB, and that should be enough... ;) -- Jan Claeys --

Kickseed, Kickstart, Preseed

2007-12-04 Thread MJang
Folks, Wondering where Ubuntu is going w/r/t automated installations. I see bits on Kickseed, but nothing in Gutsy. I see per https://launchpad.net/kickseed/ that it was in Feisty. Perhaps the focus is on Kickstart or Preseed? Thanks, Mike -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 05.12.2007 um 00:47 schrieb Jan Claeys: Op dinsdag 04-12-2007 om 11:59 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Markus Hitter: Gutsy doesn't come with a working C compiler either, which I'd consider far more essential than a graphical partition editor (think about installing non-packaged software).