Re: displaying Unicode text (was Re: Transcriptions of Unicode)

2000-12-07 Thread Erik van der Poel
Mark Davis wrote: Let's take an example. - The page is UTF-8. - It contains a mixture of German, dingbats and Hindi text. - My locale is de_DE. From your description, it sounds like Modzilla works as follows: - The locale maps (I'm guessing) to 8859-1 - 8859 maps to, say Helvetica.

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or right-to-left.

2000-12-07 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Michael Kaplan wrote: plus... dumb question 1. Is Aramaic (which doesn't seem to have a 2 character ISO code) the same as Amharic (which does...AM)? If not, Amharic appears to be a Semetic language too, is that written right-to-left too? Amharic uses the Ethiopic script, and is

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right

2000-12-07 Thread Michael Everson
Ar 01:47 -0800 2000-12-07, scríobh Antoine Leca: Urdu written in Nagari script is left-to-right? This is new to me... No, Urdu written in Nagari script is Hindi. There are a number of Muslim people that insist on naming it Urdu rather than Hindi. Since both codes exist, and hence if you look

Re: Transcriptions of Unicode

2000-12-07 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 11:12:24PM -0800, James Kass wrote: As for Chinese users searching for Chinese strings, Japanese text will most probably be incomprehensible regardless of font or mark-up. That's true for pretty much every other pair of languages that use the same script, though. --

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread David Tooke
The application isn't "english", it's "an application". Properly done, it should be internationalized and thus able to be an "Arabic application" when serving Arabic pages and English when serving English pages. I totally agree. This is actually what I am trying to achieve and what I was

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread addison
Hi David, Actually, I think that the directionality of the page *CONSIDERED AS A WHOLE* is directly related to the locale of the user. For example, I might look at a page that contains an very large result set from a database query, presented as a table. The results would comprise 90% of the

RE: [OT] Arabic script langs in 3.0 ; list?

2000-12-07 Thread Carl W. Brown
Elaine, You speak of the "standard Arabic script". You must add additional letters to the standard Arabic script for languages such as Farsi and Urdu. Carl -Original Message- From: Elaine Keown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:20 PM To: Unicode List

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread John Cowan
This message is best viewed with a monowidth font. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, I might look at a page that contains an very large result set from a database query, presented as a table. The results would comprise 90% of the text, let's say, of the document. If the results are all

Re: displaying Unicode text (was Re: Transcriptions of Unicode)

2000-12-07 Thread Mark Davis
Thanks! I appreciate the description. My fears were unfounded. This states that *for each character* in the element, the implementation is supposed to go down the list of fonts in the font-family property, to find a font that exists and that contains a glyph for the current character. I

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread Peter_Constable
On 12/06/2000 12:19:00 PM "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" wrote: Aramaic has no native speakers True, if what is meant is Ancient Aramaic. False if we mean Assyrian or Chaldean Neo-Aramaic. - Peter --- Peter Constable

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread Tex Texin
I think you really need to give the user the option to override the assumptions being made, as the degree of familiarity and experience the user has with Hebrew and Arabic, and the purpose for using the application will make a big difference. For example, the case that you are suggesting goes

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread David Tooke
So, suppose all the data from the database is in Hebrew...and the user's browser is set to Hebrew. You are saying that because we have some headings in English; the entire page should be formatted LTR not RTL. I have to disagree. The *content* of the page would be Hebrew. The headings are

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread John Cowan
David Tooke wrote: I don't think it should be based of the application. A Hebrew document written by a user on an untranslated word processor is *still* a Hebrew document. I assume you mean "a word processor localized in English" rather than "a word processor that can't do bidi". If the

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread John Cowan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, I think we're saying the same thing: the language of the page is the base directionality. If the application is localized into Hebrew, then the base directionality is RTL. Okay, good. In that case by "user locale" you mean "language of the (fixed parts

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread addison
Hi John, I think we're saying the same thing: the language of the page is the base directionality. If the application is localized into Hebrew, then the base directionality is RTL. Addison === Addison P. Phillips

Re: Font help

2000-12-07 Thread John Cowan
Michael Everson wrote: I have no idea how I should encode such a font. Help? According to a suitable legacy encoding, such as JIS X 0208, Shift-JIS, or MacJapanese. What you will have is a font which provides glyphs for only a few coded characters, but no matter. It's just like an 8859-1

RE: (bidi) Determining whether Locales are left-to-right

2000-12-07 Thread Jonathan Rosenne
Localized Hebrew Excel has a button to flip the global direction of the screen and presentation of the columns - RTL or LTR - and this preference is also stored in the file. The user can choose his default. It should not be determined from the locale, when I open a new spreadsheet the

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread Tex Texin
John, I wasn't thinking about a,b,c so much as the headings in the results table and the ordering of the data in the fields: country, state, name Where I have seen Hebrew or Arabic tables the heading order changes from LTR to RTL, and so you would want the data returned from the query to be in

Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

2000-12-07 Thread Tex Texin
David Tooke wrote: ...And in response to Tex. I would spend less time debating which is correct, and simply offer a button on the UI to flip the ordering of the page. Although we cannot have a option to store preferences for particular users, we will allow users to change the locale during

Testing - please ignore [eom]

2000-12-07 Thread Song Moong Er

Aramaic by any other name.........

2000-12-07 Thread Elaine Keown
Hello, Aramaic is spoken in many countries today:Israel, Armenia, Georgia, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, U.S., probably Azerbaijan, maybe further into Central Asia in some pockets...but it's never called Aramaic, as far as I knowit's called Surit, Kurdit, Turoyo, Assyrian, Mandaean,

UCS-2, UCS-4, UTF-16 unicode format files

2000-12-07 Thread Song Moong Er
Hello, I am new to this mailing list. Hope it is appropriate to ask the following question : 1. Any browser that I can used to view UCS-2, UCS-4, UTF-16 unicode format files ? 2. I am looking for some UCS-2, UCS-4, UTF-16 unicode format file. Any web site which I can download the above files ?

Re: Did I do this right?

2000-12-07 Thread Katsuhiko Momoi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put some japanese text up on the web http://11digitboy.stormloader.com and i think i did it right. Is the #n; format correct where n is a unicode code in decimal? do i set netscape to utf-8 to see it? what about msie? For Netscape 6/Mozilla MSIE, you