[unicode] Mail loop at China.com

2001-03-23 Thread John Wilcock
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[unicode] Malay (Latin) characters in Unicode?

2001-03-23 Thread dvdeug
[Feed another to the shubnet . . .] I have a copy of Shellbear's Practical Malay Grammar that I'm preparing to transcribe for Project Gutenberg. Unfortunately, he represents the Malaysian alphabet in a Latin transliteration that includes ng as a single ligatured form, and I don't know how to

[unicode] Re: removing compromises from unicode (WCode)

2001-03-23 Thread dvdeug
[Hoping the shubnet doesn't got this one too . . .] WTF-8 could potentially be as compact or more compact than UTF-8 (for Greek, Arabic ...), since much of the Latin-1 and Latin Extended A blocks aren't needed in WCode. If you moved the other characters down to fill that space, you might win

[unicode] Re: Poll of the day

2001-03-23 Thread Michael Everson
At 20:56 -0500 2001-03-22, Sarasvati wrote: Here by popular demand is the poll of the day... http://www.unicode.org/~sarasvati/poll.html Not Found The requested URL /~sarasvati/Democratic-Process was not found on this server.

[unicode] Re: Helpful info

2001-03-23 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Sarasvati wrote: TO FIND OUT WHO IS ON A LIST: Send a message to the listar account on the server with a subject of "who [listname]". You will receive a list of people subscribed to the list who are not hidden. Admins will be able to see everbody, including

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-23 Thread Sean O Seaghdha
Ar 23 Mar 2001, ag 1:44 scrobh Sarasvati fn bhar "Re: Moving mail lists": At this moment, there are 691 addresses subscribed to the Unicode mail list. At least 24 of those entities are points of further fan-out to local lists elsewhere. If you can gather a list of at least 346 current

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-23 Thread Otto Stolz
Am 2001-03-22 um 14:31 h MEZ hat Tomas McGuinness geschrieben: I am currently developing a product that will support UCS-2 For a new project, it would be better to support UTF-16, rather than UCS-2, from the very beginning. There are already characters accepted for standardization that can not

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-23 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Sean O Seaghdha wrote: I'll take the above private response as a request for everyone opposed to or in favour of this piece of nonsense to e-mail Sarasvati [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your opinion. I trust Sarasvati will keep us apprised of the tally, the proportion of

[unicode] Re: bytes bits

2001-03-23 Thread Jeff Guevin
Touché by all of you who've corrected my reliance on dictionaries for tech definitions.

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-23 Thread Carl W. Brown
Jeff, A byte is the least addressable portion of memory. The IBM 1401 for example has 6 bit bytes + a word mark. Parity bits don't count. A lot of systems in the 50's and early 60's had 6 bit bytes. That is why octal became so popular. Bytes were not used for systems like the IBM 1620 which

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-23 Thread Carl W. Brown
Marco, I find that people often understand it better when you get away from bytes, octets etc. and describe Unicode strings as an array of unsigned short (16 bit unsigned integers) in the same manner as single byte characters are an array of 8 bit integers. This way the only time you have to

[unicode] CJK dictionary

2001-03-23 Thread grozsa11
Do you know CJK (kandji) dictionary with unicode codings? (This range's english meaning: 4E00CJK Ideograph, First 9FA5CJK Ideograph, Last F900CJK Compatibility Ideograph, First FA2DCJK Compatibility Ideograph, Last) Thanks. Gza

[unicode] Re: UCS-2 Files

2001-03-23 Thread J M Sykes
A byte may be 8 bits now but it was not always 8 bits. Au contraire! It was the designers of System/360 who invented the word "byte" to mean the smallest addressable unit of storage, in their case 8 bits. It is others who have appropriated the word for their own purposes, as has happened with

[unicode] Re: Poll of the day

2001-03-23 Thread Michael Everson
At 09:21 -0800 2001-03-23, Michael \(michka\) Kaplan wrote: After all, no one at all is claiming incompetence on the part of our ever-vigilant Bubble Queen of the River Ganga, but some people are talking about how much they preferred the way our effervescent but bitwise conservative used to do

[unicode] Re: Helpful info

2001-03-23 Thread Otto Stolz
Sarasvati had wriiten: TO FIND OUT WHO IS ON A LIST... Marco had written: O, thank you! This is a great great utility for spammers! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco: you evidently missed this line in her message: The list of subscribers is not available. Because of this very sentence, I

[unicode] Re: Helpful info

2001-03-23 Thread Sarasvati
Marco, Thank you for your valuable and candid opinion. I appreciate your confidence in my intelligence. Let me point out, however, that I specifically wrote in my NOTES about the helpful info: The list of subscribers is not available. as Peter Constable has already pointed out. Cheery

[unicode] Re: Poll of the day

2001-03-23 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Unfortunately, anyone who felt strongly about things could easily (and reasonably) take it another way. After all, no one at all is claiming incompetence on the part of our ever-vigilant Bubble Queen of the River Ganga, but some people are talking about how much they preferred the way our

[unicode] Re: Helpful info

2001-03-23 Thread Ayers, Mike
Because of this very sentence, I have tested the Who command, and guess what? On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:45:18 -0500 (EST), Listar [EMAIL PROTECTED] happily sent me a list of 686 subscribers to the Unicode list. Paranoid, I just tried the same and got: SNIP List context changed to

[unicode] Re: What is Unicode?

2001-03-23 Thread Richard Cook
Another web page, for your collective amusement: http://linguistics.berkeley.edu/~rscook/html/Unicode-tetralog.html

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-23 Thread Sean O Seaghdha
Ar 21 Mar 2001, ag 11:58 scrobh [EMAIL PROTECTED] fn bhar "[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists": Those whom can filter their mail also can alter the subject line easily with, for example, small perl script. Since this is so easy, could you send me one?

[unicode] Re: Poll of the day

2001-03-23 Thread G. Adam Stanislav
At 08:13 23-03-2001 -0800, Carl W. Brown wrote: Adam, I think that the poll was not arrogant but a little fun to break the tension. I'd have probably been more amused had I not been logged off the Internet at the time I was reading the message announcing the poll: I logged on, loaded the

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-23 Thread Mark Leisher
Those whom can filter their mail also can alter the subject line easily with, for example, small perl script. Sean Since this is so easy, could you send me one? % perl -ne 's/\[unicode\]// if (/^Subject:/);' messagefile

[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists

2001-03-23 Thread Mark Leisher
Oops. I missed a spot. % perl -ne 's/\[unicode\]// if (/^Subject:/); print;' messagefile - Mark Leisher Times are bad. Children no longer obey Computing Research Labtheir parents, and

[unicode] Re: removing compromises from unicode (WCode)

2001-03-23 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Jonathan Coxhead" [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would be very entertaining to do the same job with the ideographs (down to the radical level) and count the number of atoms. I suspect the resulting "character set" would contain less than 2000 atoms altogether. More than just entertaining,

[unicode] Re: removing compromises from unicode (WCode)

2001-03-23 Thread Jonathan Coxhead
It would be very entertaining to do the same job with the ideographs (down to the radical level) and count the number of atoms. I suspect the resulting "character set" would contain less than 2000 atoms altogether. MichKa replied ... More than just entertaining, one would definitely find

[unicode] Re: Malay (Latin) characters in Unicode?

2001-03-23 Thread dvdeug
At Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:13:33 -0800, Rick McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Starner wrote: I have a copy of Shellbear's Practical Malay Grammar that I'm preparing to transcribe for Project Gutenberg. Unfortunately, he represents the Malaysian alphabet in a Latin transliteration that

[unicode] Reading mojibake

2001-03-23 Thread 11digitboy
I taught myself to read a bit of SJIS mojibake, partly from studying the scrambled output of my clock program with fullwidth digits. (glitch plus O = 0. Glitch plus P = 1, etc., I think) Anyone else here can read mojibake? What is the English word for mojibake? Isn't Unicode mojibake three