RE: RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computers andNET)

2001-05-31 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 9:21 AM -0700 5/30/01, Carl W. Brown wrote: Sorry, Han or Hanzi is not adequate to cover Korean. If you want to get picky I am sure that most people are aware that there are Chinese minority languages for example that use other fonts. Typically the term CJK works for most of us. Those

RE: RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET)

2001-05-31 Thread てんどう瘢雹りゅう瘢雹じ
Um. Okay, what is the font supposed to have? Is this list correct?? 1. Han 2. Kana 3. Hangul 4. Those many, many Latin letters with diacritics for Vietnamese use 5. Probably also ASCII and misc. Han punctuation and similar odds and ends (sigh) Are you sure you want just *one* box for that? I

RE: UTF-8S (was: Re: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8)

2001-05-31 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Kenneth Whistler wrote: Plane 14 PUA usage description tags? Naaah, nobody would suggest such a bizarre thing, would they? The three words PUA usage description are redundant, methinks. Removing them leaves a more concise and dramatic example of a weird proposal. _ Marco

Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-31 Thread Mike Meir
The problem with your glyph statistics is that they are based on mould counts employed by the Monotype hot metal typesetters. The Monotype system was capable of extensive kerning, and therefore many glyphs were constructed from the elements provided by the moulds at the time of composition.

RE: Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-31 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Hi. Well, it can be said to be above the minimum :-) depending on how you look at things. If you're a developer of embedded device with a really stringent requirement in memory footprint (for font and others), you may just go with 1:1 ratios for all three groups of Jamos

RE: Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-31 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Mike Meir wrote: The problem with your glyph statistics is that they are based on mould counts employed by the Monotype hot metal typesetters. I agree: no one will ever come up with *the* correct count. Such general evaluations simply depend on too many things to be useful. E.g.: which

RE: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8 (was RE: UTF-8 signature in web and email)

2001-05-31 Thread Carl W. Brown
Simon, I now see that you support both "UTF8" where surrogates are encoded as 6 bytes and "AL32UTF8" where surrogates are encoded as 4 bytes. The way your documentation reads many users are likely to select "UFT8" over "AL32UTF8". You should have users who already have UTF8 databases

RE: RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET)

2001-05-31 Thread Jonathan Rosenne
If we mean CJK why can't we say CJK? Jony

RE: Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-31 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Jungshik Shin wrote: I think I know how you counted (initial consonants: two for syllables with and without final consonants, three for three kinds of vowel position/shape, vowels: two for syll. with/without final consonants) and think you got it right. You caught me with hands in jam:

Re: RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET)

2001-05-31 Thread N.R.Liwal
Dear Jungshik Shin; Thanks, good explinations, I hope those who are interested in Software and Web for Asia will be benefited. Thanks. Liwal - Original Message - On Wed, 30 May 2001, N.R.Liwal wrote: TERM ASIA IN COMPUTER INTERNET (RECOMMENDATIONS UNICODE LIST MAY 2001) So

RE: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8 (was RE: UTF-8 signature in web and email)

2001-05-31 Thread Ayers, Mike
If you have this funny encoding please don't call it UTF8 because it is not UTF8 and will only confuse users. You could call it OTF8 or something like that but not UTF8. How about WTF-8? Sorry - I couldn't resist. /|/|ike

RE: RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET)

2001-05-31 Thread Carl W. Brown
Liwal, Such classifications are not easy. For example Azeri can be written in both Latin and Cyrillic scripts. The Latin script is much like Turkish which has the dotted and dot-less i. This is not necessarily be big issue for fonts but is requires special case shifting logic. What do you do

RE: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8 (was RE: UTF-8 signature in web and email)

2001-05-31 Thread Ayers, Mike
From: Carl W. Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I resisted calling it FTF-8 (Funky Transfer Format - 8), but if you want to call it Weird Transfer Format - 8, I don't have any real objections. Well, that's ONE possible translation of WTF... /|/|ike

RE: RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computersand NET)

2001-05-31 Thread James E. Agenbroad
Thursday, May 31, 2001 We seem to have strayed from searching for a clearer term than Asian. I think part of the problem is that many language names are also national adjectives, e.g., Chinese, Japanese and Korean. Likewise names of scripts (or

RE: Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-31 Thread James E. Agenbroad
Thursday, May 31, 2001 My goal was never to give a specific number of glyphs needed to display a particular Indian or other script. As others have pointed out, this depends among other things, on the particular display device and its font processing

RE: RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computersand NET)

2001-05-31 Thread Carl W. Brown
James, One of the reasons for grouping CJK together is that they have similar implementation strategies. If we are grouping for that reason then maybe Aramaic languages should fall into the same category. In that case Asian is a very poor term to use. However Han/Hanzi does not work either.

RE: Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-31 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 5:35 PM +0200 5/31/01, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Jungshik Shin wrote: I think I know how you counted (initial consonants: two for syllables with and without final consonants, three for three kinds of vowel position/shape, vowels: two for syll. with/without final consonants) and think

RE: Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-31 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 5:12 PM +0200 5/31/01, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Hi. Well, it can be said to be above the minimum :-) depending on how you look at things. If you're a developer of embedded device with a really stringent requirement in memory footprint (for font and others), you may just go with