RE: Roadmaps

2001-10-11 Thread Michael Everson
At 19:05 -0700 2001-10-10, Carl W. Brown wrote: In the case of ISO 639 there is an online, official, up-to-date registry available at the Library of Congress site. It is there because the same codes are used in the MARC standard. However even though they seem to keep it up to date, it is

RE: ZWJ+ZWNJ+ZWJ (Was: ZWJ and Turkish)

2001-10-11 Thread Bob_Hallissy
Can I ask what Uniscribe would do if it encountered Roozbeh's ZWJ+ZWNJ+ZJW character string? Perhaps it would help if Roozbeh explained why he sees this as a problem. According to my understanding: Consider Lam+Alef. The rlig table should form a ligature. The sequence Lam+ZWNJ+Alef would

RE: sample text ok?

2001-10-11 Thread Marco Cimarosti
John Hudson wrote: At 14:27 10/10/2001, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: No, it's not a fifth form. It's just the initial form. Since Heh is too similiar to the Arabic digit five, when refering to the letter, an initial form is usually used. The glyph in at U+0647 in Unicode charts is just

Slashdot story

2001-10-11 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
Slashdot's running an article on Migrating Large Scale Applications from ASCII to Unicode http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/11/0053233 roozbeh

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Rick McGowan
Doug Ewell wrote... Cyrillic was created as a better way to write Slavic languages, Russian in particular. Shavian and Deseret were created as better ways to write English. The former met with overwhelming success, the latter did not It's usual to bind former and latter to the closest

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-10-10 9:16:17 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You may consider trying to classify the artificial scripts a bit more. For example I *think* (I'm a bit rusty on my Elvish) that for Tengwar would be either Abjad (like Hebrew), or

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Tom Emerson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Even Tengwar and Cirth, although created to support languages introduced in works of fiction, were invented according to some of the same principles that guide the creation of so-called real scripts. To be utterly pedantic about the whole thing, Tolkien

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:35 -0400 2001-10-11, Tom Emerson wrote: To be utterly pedantic about the whole thing, Tolkien created his fictional mythology around the languages spoken and written forms, not vice versa. In the beginning was the word -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography ***

RE: ZWJ+ZWNJ+ZWJ (Was: ZWJ and Turkish)

2001-10-11 Thread John Hudson
At 01:41 10/11/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to my understanding: Consider Lam+Alef. The rlig table should form a ligature. The sequence Lam+ZWNJ+Alef would produce non-joined sequence (i.e., final or isolate Lam followed by isolate Alef) However, the sequence Lam+ZWJ+ZWNJ+ZJW+Alef

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Lars Marius Garshol
* Jarkko Hietaniemi | | You may consider trying to classify the artificial scripts a bit | more. For example I *think* (I'm a bit rusty on my Elvish) that for | Tengwar would be either Abjad (like Hebrew), or maybe Featural (like | Hangul), and Cirth would be Alphabet (like Runic). * [EMAIL

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Lars Marius Garshol
* Michael Everson | | In the beginning was the word And the words were Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended. --Lars M. :)

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Jungshik Shin
On 10 Oct 2001, Lars Marius Garshol wrote: I have just made public a site with information about the world's scripts and languages at URL: http://www.ontopia.net/i18n/index.jsp Comments on the contents would be very welcome. It seems like a single script is classified as belonging to

FW: Country Specific Code Pages - IBM

2001-10-11 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
-Original Message- From: Nardo, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Country Specific Code Pages I'm looking for a comprehensive list of what IBM code pages are used in each of the world's countries. Can you provide

CP1256 and Persian YEH?

2001-10-11 Thread Mark Leisher
Can someone tell me how the Persian YEH (U+06CC) is dealt with in a CP1256 context? Has the official mapping changed from the following page? http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/sbcs/1256.htm Or perhaps the 0xFF YEH BARREE is assumed to be Persian YEH in the Persian locale. I

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Michael Everson
Hangul is an alphabet. It organizes its letters into syllable clusters, but it is an alphabet. -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com 15 Port Chaeimhghein Íochtarach; Baile Átha Cliath 2; Éire/Ireland Telephone +353 86 807 9169 *** Fax +353 1 478 2597 (by

Re: FW: Country Specific Code Pages - IBM

2001-10-11 Thread Tex Texin
Look at their doc at: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/QB3AQ501/F.0 Magda Danish (Unicode) wrote: -Original Message- From: Nardo, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Country Specific Code

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Lars, | For instance, Korean Hangul is not only featural but also alphabetic | and alphasyllabaric. How can this be? If a script uses diacritics out of temporal order to indicate vowels it can't be an alphabet, and, similarly, if it does not, how can it be an alphasyllabary? I'm not

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Lars Marius Garshol
* Kenneth Whistler | | By type you are classifying scripts based on their functional | organization. | | By category you are, loosely, classifying scripts based on their | historic relationships. Yes, and yes. | I think you would be more successful if you separated out some of | the

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Lars Marius Garshol
* Michael Everson | | Hangul is an alphabet. It organizes its letters into syllable | clusters, but it is an alphabet. This is what Kenneth Whistler also says, and I agree that it makes sense. Peter T. Daniels, on the other hand, says that it is a featural script[1], while Ross King says that

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Lars, My greater issue with your type classification has to do with my disagreement about how you have defined some of the types. I'm not disagreeing that there are functionally definable types for scripts, and that it is useful to divide up the scripts into those categories. But I disagree with

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Lars, | | 2. Script B is a de novo design influenced strongly by Script A. | | 3. Script B borrowed formal and/or functional characteristics of | Script A. This is good advice. I already have an association type called 'derived from' that corresponds to your 1. I have been

Re: CP1256 and Persian YEH?

2001-10-11 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Depends on what version of Windows you are on. Farsi is not officially supported in all code points for cp1256. This one is supported in WinME, Win2000, and WinXP. It maps to 0xED on cp1256 when it does map? MichKa Michael Kaplan Trigeminal Software, Inc. http://www.trigeminal.com/ -

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Michael Everson
At 00:36 +0200 2001-10-12, Lars Marius Garshol wrote: 1. Hangul is a featural script, which is means a script where the shapes of the basic symbols are organized by phonetic principles. Yes. 2. Hangul is a featural script, and featural scripts are a subclass of

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread Michael Everson
At 16:35 -0700 2001-10-11, Kenneth Whistler wrote: The kind of thing I am thinking about for 3 could be exemplified by the modern Tai Le orthography. It is an evolutionary descendant of earlier SE Asian Brahmi-based scripts maybe 800 years ago. But the 1954 orthographic reform introduced the

Hangul script type: (was Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts)

2001-10-11 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Lars, * Michael Everson | | Hangul is an alphabet. It organizes its letters into syllable | clusters, but it is an alphabet. This is what Kenneth Whistler also says, and I agree that it makes sense. Peter T. Daniels, on the other hand, says that it is a featural script[1], while Ross

Re: sample text ok?

2001-10-11 Thread Vladimir Ivanov
Third form is a combination of the fourth form (from right to left) and Kashida U+0640. Vladimir Ivanov, [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 14:27 10/10/2001, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: No, it's not a fifth form. It's just the initial form. Since Heh is too similiar to the Arabic digit five, when refering

Re: [OT] ANN: Site about scripts

2001-10-11 Thread DougEwell2
Yes, of course that is what I meant. Sorry if anyone was confused. In a message dated 2001-10-11 8:55:22 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doug Ewell wrote... Cyrillic was created as a better way to write Slavic languages, Russian in particular. Shavian and Deseret