Re: Variation Selection (Was Re: Unicode 3.2: BETA files updated)

2002-01-27 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 12:33 AM 1/27/02 -0800, Mark Davis \(jtcsv\) wrote: I find it fairly pointless to say that a font supports the variation selection sequence U+03B8, U+FE00 if it does not provide a visual distinction from U+03B8; and such a distinction should be based on the entry description. Thus, of the

Re: Additional Ethiopic characters?

2002-01-27 Thread Michael Everson
At 18:59 -0800 2002-01-26, John Hudson wrote: What is the status of ISO/IEC JTC1/SC2/WG2 N1846, the Proposal to encode Ethiopic Extensions in the BMP...? I see that (Eth.Ext.) is included in the BMP roadmap, but don't see any other information on the Unicode site. Daniel Yacob was to get me

Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!

2002-01-27 Thread Michael Everson
At 17:54 -0500 2002-01-26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my favorite parts of Bytext was the section on Emoticons. Certainly, one thing that a serious competitor to Unicode must have is a rich set of emoticons as single characters. I've always felt the UTC was badly out of touch with the

Re: Additional Ethiopic characters?

2002-01-27 Thread Michael Everson
I suppose I should also say that Daniel and I are in touch and progress is being made, however slowly. -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com

Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!

2002-01-27 Thread James Kass
Michael Everson wrote, MISTER YUCK, actually, should be added to Unicode. Isn't it used on some poisonous cleaning products to warn children? If so, perhaps it is a glyph variant of skull and crossbones at U+2620 (☠). Best regards, James Kass.

Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!

2002-01-27 Thread Michael Everson
At 06:56 -0800 2002-01-27, James Kass wrote: MISTER YUCK, actually, should be added to Unicode. Isn't it used on some poisonous cleaning products to warn children? If so, perhaps it is a glyph variant of skull and crossbones at U+2620 (’òÝ). I don't think it is. Indeed it was introduced

Re: Additional Ethiopic characters?

2002-01-27 Thread Daniel Yacob
Daniel Yacob was to get me samples of the characters in use, so we could update the proposal. That hasn't happened yet. All good things come to those who wait./Hannibal ..and lots of good things are coming, however slowly ;)

Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!

2002-01-27 Thread James Kass
Michael Everson wrote, (MISTER YUCK) If so, perhaps it is a glyph variant of skull and crossbones at U+2620 ([Gratuitous UTF-8 Skull and Crossbones]). I don't think it is. Indeed it was introduced precisely because toddlers don't understand the skull and crossbones. They may both

Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!

2002-01-27 Thread Patrick Andries
James Kass wrote: Seriously, the section in the bytext file about emoticons was most enjoyable. Do people exchange information using emoticons? MISTER YUCK: graphic or symbol? Do people use exclamation marks to communicate ;-) P. Andries

Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!

2002-01-27 Thread Michael Everson
At 08:41 -0800 2002-01-27, James Kass wrote: Seriously, the section in the bytext file about emoticons was most enjoyable. Do people exchange information using emoticons? Yes, but these are representable in plain text by Unicode now. ASCII! MISTER YUCK: graphic or symbol? Symbol. --

Re: Variation Selection (Was Re: Unicode 3.2: BETA files updated)

2002-01-27 Thread Mark Davis \(jtcsv\)
Sorry, I guess not all mailers handle embedded graphics in HTML messages. I posted it so that you could see the graphics, on http://www.macchiato.com/utc/variation_selection/variation_selection_followu p.htm It is *not* exactly the same. I added and rearranged the concrete examples at the very

Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!

2002-01-27 Thread Curtis Clark
At 06:56 AM 1/27/02, James Kass wrote: If so, perhaps it is a glyph variant of skull and crossbones at U+2620 (☠). cheek contents=tongue amount=50% I would argue against unification: the skull and crossed bones has additional meanings beyond poison. Although the vision of Disney's Pirates

Re: Variation Selection

2002-01-27 Thread Michael Everson
At 10:00 -0800 2002-01-27, Mark Davis \(jtcsv\) wrote: Sorry, I guess not all mailers handle embedded graphics in HTML messages. In the first place they do not all handle the, though I saw it. In the second place, Mark, you must remember that not all of us live in the US where a local call is

Re: Variation Selection (Was Re: Unicode 3.2: BETA files updated)

2002-01-27 Thread Mark Davis \(jtcsv\)
It sounds like what you are saying, in concrete terms, is that Font #6 at the bottom of: http://www.macchiato.com/utc/variation_selection/variation_selection_f ollowup.htm is conformant. If that is so, then we would have to have an additional VS to select the closed form of the glyph. In that

Re: POSITIVELY MUST READ! Bytext is here!

2002-01-27 Thread James Kass
Michael Everson wrote, ... graphic or symbol? Symbol. -- Because it signifies something specific while a graphic would be subject to random interpretations. Curtis Clark wrote, I would argue against unification: the skull and crossed bones has additional meanings beyond poison.

Re: Variation Selection

2002-01-27 Thread $B$m!;!;!;!;(B $B$m!;!;!;(B
Unicode list policy is to NOT send attachments to the lists. Please post to your server and send the URLs. First, have we all servers? Second, if it is a small attachment, the number of bytes transmitted to GO there may well be greater than the number to send the bloody thing. How about an

Re: Variation Selection

2002-01-27 Thread Barry Caplan
At 10:29 PM 1/27/2002 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 2002-01-27 18:51:35 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, have we all servers? No. Assuming we all do is no better than assuming we all have broadband or T1 connections. Yes, we do all have servers: Yahoo is your

attachment size (was: Re: Variation Selection)

2002-01-27 Thread $B$m!;!;!;!;(B $B$m!;!;!;(B
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Variation Selection Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:29:02 EST In a message dated 2002-01-27 18:51:35 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, have we all servers? No. Assuming we all do is no better

Re: Variation Selection

2002-01-27 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2002-01-27 18:51:35 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, have we all servers? No. Assuming we all do is no better than assuming we all have broadband or T1 connections. Second, if it is a small attachment, the number of bytes transmitted to GO there

Re: attachment size

2002-01-27 Thread Sarasvati
Dear Little Ones: Michael E suggested: Unicode list policy is to NOT send attachments to the lists. to which Doug E. replied: I just sent a 500-byte attachment to the Unicode list without any qualms. The policy is rather to let the piranhas chew up people who send huge attachments. Little