Re: Unicode plane 14 language tags.

2002-10-29 Thread William Overington
John Cowan commented. William Overington scripsit: It seems to me that deprecating these language tags might be a bad thing as the language tags could well have potential use in plain text files on the DVB-MHP (Digital Video Broadcasting - Multimedia Home Platform) platform in order to

RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread jarkko.hietaniemi
Unicode captures the ice-age during the global warming era! Do we have codepoints for images found on the walls of caves? :) CRO-MAGNON PAINTING HUMAN SPEARING A MAMMOTH CRO-MAGNON PAINTING MAMMOTH STOMPING A HUMAN ...

how to display Unicode

2002-10-29 Thread nandu patil
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RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Kent Karlsson
-Original Message- From: Marco Cimarosti [mailto:marco.cimarosti;essetre.it] Sent: den 28 oktober 2002 16:23 To: 'Kent Karlsson'; Marco Cimarosti Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Character identities Kent Karlsson wrote: For this reason it is quite impermissible to render

Re: Unicode plane 14 language tags.

2002-10-29 Thread John Cowan
William Overington scripsit: Oh, that is interesting. So what exactly is the public consultation about deprecating the plane 14 language tags about? If the Unicode Technical Committee decided to deprecate the plane 14 language tags, what would be the effect of that decision? Deprecated in

Re: how to display Unicode

2002-10-29 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
No links to give, just a note to warn you that VB itself converts text that it puts into the RichEdit control from Unicode when it assigns the text. Technically the control supports Unicode since its interfaces are Unicode. but this conversion does limit the text that can be supported.

Re: Unicode plane 14 language tags.

2002-10-29 Thread William Overington
Doug Ewell wrote as follows. [snip] Right off the bat, though, I thank the UTC for initiating this public review process which allows non-members like me to get their two cents in regarding Unicode policies. (Hmm, two American-specific figures of speech in one sentence -- perhaps it should have

Re: The comet circumflex system.

2002-10-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 06:30 + 2002-10-29, William Overington wrote: Readers interested in internationalization using Unicode might like to know that I have recently added some documents about the comet circumflex system to the web. Well I'll be gobsmacked. What supreme piffle. And set in SIZE=5 too. See with

Re: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 23:21 -0800 2002-10-28, Barry Caplan wrote: Do we have codepoints for images found on the walls of caves? No. The closest we come to that is wondering about the Tartaria proto-script, which we haven't readmapped. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Kent Karlsson wrote: The claim was that dieresis and overscript e are the same in *modern* *standard* German. Or, better stated, that overscript e is just a glyph variant of dieresis, in *modern* *standard* German typeset in Fraktur. Well, we strongly disagree about that then. Marc

Re: Unicode plane 14 language tags.

2002-10-29 Thread Doug Ewell
William Overington WOverington at ngo dot globalnet dot co dot uk wrote: I do note however that review 3 refers to a document which is only available to Unicode Consortium members, which seems a strange thing if views of interested individuals are being sought. I agree. Also, it is a pity

RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Kent Karlsson
Marco, Standard orthography, and orthography that someone may choose to use on a sign, or in handwriting, are often not the same. And I did say that current font technologies (e.g. OT) does not actually do character to character mappings, but the net effect is *as if* they did (if, and I

Re: Unicode plane 14 language tags.

2002-10-29 Thread John Hudson
At 05:29 10/29/2002, William Overington wrote: Also, it is a pity that this new era of Unicode glasnost (displayed with a ligature? :-) ) comes so shortly after the last Unicode Technical Committee meeting the minutes of which state the consensus about no more ligatures being added to the

RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Kent Karlsson wrote: Marco, Keld, please allow me to begin with the end of your post: Marco, please calm down and reread every sentence of my previous message. You seem to have misread quite a few things, but it is better you reread calmly before I try to clear up any remaining

Re: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread starner
Standard orthography, and orthography that someone may choose to use on a sign, or in handwriting, are often not the same. If someone's writes an a-umlaut, no matter what it looks, it should be encoded as an a-umlaut. That's the identity of the character they wrote. I'm sure my German teacher

RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 21:07 +0100 2002-10-29, Marco Cimarosti wrote: I'm sure Michael would agree too (at least I hope so), and many others. There are many Michaels and many others here... If any of them wish to intervene, I hope they'll rather say something new to take the discussion out of the loop, rather

RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Michael asked: My eyes have glazed over reading this discussion. What am I being asked to agree with? Here's the executive summary for those without the time to plow through the longer exchange: Marco: It is o.k. (in a German-specific context) to display an umlaut as a macron (or a

RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 13:27 -0800 2002-10-29, Kenneth Whistler wrote: Michael asked: My eyes have glazed over reading this discussion. What am I being asked to agree with? Here's the executive summary for those without the time to plow through the longer exchange: Marco: It is o.k. (in a German-specific

Re: RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread starner
At 21:07 +0100 2002-10-29, Marco Cimarosti wrote: I'm sure Michael would agree too (at least I hope so), and many others. There are many Michaels and many others here... If any of them wish to intervene, I hope they'll rather say something new to take the discussion out of the loop, rather

Re: RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 15:56 -0600 2002-10-29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it complaint with Unicode to have a font where a-umlaut has a glyph of a with e above? What about a glyph of a-macron (e.g. a handwriting font for someone who writes a-umlaut that way)? Of course it is. Glyphs are informative. -- Michael

Re: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Keld Jørn Simonsen
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:07:16PM +0100, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Kent Karlsson wrote: Marco, Keld, please allow me to begin with the end of your post: I really have not contributed much to this thread, I think you mean Kent. Best regards keld

http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~ekeown/hebrewp.pdf

2002-10-29 Thread ekeown
Elaine Keown Univ Massachusetts Amherst Hello all: Small Hebrew (Neo-Aramaic, Judeo-Tat, etc.) proposal ready for comments at given URL. Not finished, first viewing--Elaine

Re: RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread John Hudson
At 14:56 10/29/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it complaint with Unicode to have a font where a-umlaut has a glyph of a with e above? What about a glyph of a-macron (e.g. a handwriting font for someone who writes a-umlaut that way)? Yes, I would say that it is compliant with Unicode because

Re: http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~ekeown/hebrewp.pdf

2002-10-29 Thread John Cowan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit: Small Hebrew (Neo-Aramaic, Judeo-Tat, etc.) proposal ready for comments at given URL. Not finished, first viewing--Elaine First cut: HEBREW ACCENT COMBINING VERTICAL LINE: probably OK HEBREW ACCENT ZINNORIT: probably OK HEBREW ACCENT MAYELA: probably OK (names

Re: http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~ekeown/hebrewp.pdf

2002-10-29 Thread John Hudson
At 16:34 10/29/2002, John Cowan wrote: HEBREW MARK LOWER DOT: not needed, use generic U+0323 COMBINING DOT BELOW I'm generally in agreement with John about using generic combining marks when possible. From a font development perspective this can sometimes create problems in multilingual

Re: RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread Adam Twardoch
Do we again need an intelligent font that understands language tagging? This should be achievable with OpenType, no? Do we now have different flavors of Unicocde, one for English, one for Icelandic, one for French, one for German ... ? In most of the cases described be you, you can still have

Re: RE: Character identities

2002-10-29 Thread David Starner
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 08:53:59PM -0500, Jim Allan wrote: Using the Unicode method makes far more sense than creating fonts that work for particular languages only, provided no foreign words or names appear, or which require language tagging. Why does the Unicode method exclude creating