Stefan,
Thanks for your comments.
My sense is that number format varies somewhat depending on the application or
vertical industry, so it can be hard to say what the most popular usage is in
any regional market. I try to ignore the question of which format is right for
each market and just point
On Monday, July 07, 2003 8:41 AM, Tex Texin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stefan,
Thanks for your comments.
Philippe,
Thanks for your comments. I may add some of the notes to the page.
However, I want to question your recommendation of U+2009 as I believe
that is a breaking space. Perhaps you
On 07/07/2003 04:15, Philippe Verdy wrote:
The list separator in French is preferably the semicolon, rather than a comma
(which must then have a space):
= 123thin space;standard space456
The thin space is here also encoded accroding to the character encoding
constraints and fonts (here also less
Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2003 um 22:24 schrieb Tex Texin:
TT Having said that, I will pass your comment along to the appropriate people and
TT suggest they consider adding USA and/or spell out Georgia, in the notice and
TT on the web site. (Or did you want a different kind of change?)
All except
Philippe Verdy posted:
I can't make a recommandation on which space figure to use.
Ideally, it must just be *less wide* than a digit and *not justified*, it must
be *unbreakable*. The ideal space to use depends on the available fonts,
and in practive most texts are coded with NBSP (sometimes a
On Monday, July 07, 2003 3:36 PM, Karl Pentzlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2003 um 22:24 schrieb Tex Texin:
Having said that, I will pass your comment along to the appropriate
people and suggest they consider adding USA and/or spell out
Georgia, in the notice and on the
On Monday, July 07, 2003 2:04 PM, Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07/07/2003 04:15, Philippe Verdy wrote:
The list separator in French is preferably the semicolon, rather
than a comma (which must then have a space):
= 123thin space;standard space456
The thin space is here also
Hello, everyone.
JIS X 0213:2000 has the character in question
as 1-89-39 (plane/row/cell).
According to a recent review of JIS X 0213,
this character will be mapped to U+25771.
References (sorry, in Japanese):
(1) http://www.jsa.or.jp/domestic/instac/review/0213review.htm
Hiya!
Any help would be appreciated. Not sure if I should send to a MySQL
list, or this one ( I didn't want to cross post), so sorry if not
applicable. If this is not ok to ask in this group, can someone tell me
please!
Because from what I understand, MySQL supports unicode, but various
features
Philippe Verdy wrote:
I do agree: indicating Atlanta, GA, USA is not a big effort.
Note that Georgia is also a Central European country, and
saying GA or Georgia alone is not good...
Note that the country is abbreviated GE, not GA (and that it's in Asia).
Stefan
Philippe Verdy scripsit:
Some other conventions use in English is the double-space after a
sentence-ending dot: this convention does not exist in French, and I do
think that it exist in English as a way to represent a large (cadratin
minimum width) space after this dot.
It's a
On 07/07/2003 08:22, Stefan Persson wrote:
Note that the country is abbreviated GE, not GA (and that it's in Asia).
Stefan
Don't tell the Georgians you said their country was in Asia, you might
get in trouble! They certainly consider themselves Europeans, in line
with their culture and
On 07/07/2003 8:52 AM, Peter Kirk wrote:
On 06/07/2003 17:22, John Hudson wrote:
... Given the small number of attested sequences that would be
adversely affected by normalisation re-ordering, I'm beginning to
favour the idea of encoding these sequences as individual characters.
We'd
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Steve Vernon wrote:
Hiya!
Any help would be appreciated. Not sure if I should send to a MySQL
list, or this one ( I didn't want to cross post), so sorry if not
applicable. If this is not ok to ask in this group, can someone tell me
please!
Because from what I
Sorry for the intrusion, but... If anyone knows an off-line way to get a
hold of Barry Caplan, could they please give him a call or send him a
letter, or knock on his door? He has been doing some standards archaeology,
and has sent messages to several people in the past few weeks, but his
From: Stefan Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Philippe Verdy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: 24th Unicode Conference - Atlanta, GA - September 3-5, 2003 [OT]
Philippe Verdy wrote:
I do agree: indicating Atlanta, GA, USA is not a big
At Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:12:25 +0100, Michael Everson wrote:
At 11:49 -0400 2003-07-07, John Cowan wrote:
It's a typewriter-based convention, and is suitable for monowidth
fonts only.
It's a beastly practice held over from the time when it was useful
(that is, when typesetters set the type
From: John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's a typewriter-based convention, and is suitable for monowidth fonts
only. The space after a sentence-ending full stop in justified
contexts
is no bigger than any other space, in general.
Really? TeX seems to stretch this space more than ordinary
At 13:29 -0400 2003-07-07, Frank da Cruz wrote:
Nobody is springing to the defense of this so I'll only say that
it's a time-honored practice and we shouldn't be so quick to
disparage it, lest we be disparaged several years hence for the
things we do :-)
It's rotten, and when I typeset books
Peter Kirk scripsit:
Don't tell the Georgians you said their country was in Asia, you might
get in trouble! They certainly consider themselves Europeans, in line
with their culture and religion. As for the geography, atlases differ.
The U.N.'s Statistics Division, which has absolutely no
Michael Everson scripsit:
In the world of plain text, two spaces after a sentence-ending
period, exclamation mark, question mark, or other mark is actually
rather handy to distinguish sentence enders from the same marks used
in other ways, esp. periods in abbreviations.
Fie! Fie!
John Burger scripsit:
Really? TeX seems to stretch this space more than ordinary
inter-word spaces in justified text - there are even special commands
to tell TeX when a period really is (or isn't) end-of-sentence. I had
always assumed that this came from established type-setting
From: Frank da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the world of plain text, two spaces after a sentence-ending period,
exclamation mark, question mark, or other mark is actually rather handy to
distinguish sentence enders from the same marks used in other ways,
esp. periods in abbreviations. This
Unicode already defines with character properties those punctuations that
terminate sentences. Why would you need to recognize sequences of two spaces
as meaning an end of sentence??? This would be wrong to select sentenced in
a preformated plain-text, even in English...
Because it has
From: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 13:29 -0400 2003-07-07, Frank da Cruz wrote:
Nobody is springing to the defense of this so I'll only say that
it's a time-honored practice and we shouldn't be so quick to
disparage it, lest we be disparaged several years hence for the
things we
At 14:27 -0400 2003-07-07, Frank da Cruz wrote:
EMACS aside, it's still an interesting question why -- in English at
least -- it was customary thoughout the 20th century to put two
spaces after a period
when typing. I expect it must have been an aesthetic decision. What else
could it have
On 07/07/2003 11:01, John Cowan wrote:
Well, that's true up to a point, but only up to a point. Tomorrow someone
may conceive a need to express Tibetan using Hebrew vowel points instead of
Tibetan vowel signs, whilst keeping the Tibetan consonants, but he
should not complain if neither rendering
On Monday, July 07, 2003 8:27 PM, Frank da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I vaguely recall seeing this same discussion play out some years ago.
EMACS aside, it's still an interesting question why -- in English at
least -- it was customary thoughout the 20th century to put two
spaces after a
Jim, Why do you leave out U+2007 figure space?
Jim Allan wrote:
Philippe Verdy posted:
I can't make a recommandation on which space figure to use.
Ideally, it must just be *less wide* than a digit and *not justified*, it must
be *unbreakable*. The ideal space to use depends on the
I had a couple people comment on the currency page that U+5186 is not a yen
sign but a character.
I see it used regularly as a currency symbol instead of U+00A5.
Is there a distinction between the two?
When is a character properly called a currency sign?
The page has had a number of updates
Michael Everson scripsit:
The typing habit was designed to assist typesetters in reading the
manuscript as they were setting type.
Either this says that double-spacing after a sentence improves the readability
of monospaced documents, or I misunderstand you entirely. After all, typists
are
At 15:03 -0400 2003-07-07, Tex Texin wrote:
When is a character properly called a currency sign?
Hunh? When you use it to represent currency. DM was two characters
used as a character sign in Germany.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
Forgot to copy to the list...
-Original Message-
From: Kurosaka, Teruhiko
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:44 PM
To: 'Tex Texin'
Subject: RE: When is a character a currency sign?
Hello Tex,
When is a character properly called a currency sign?
If a character is used EXCLUSIVELY for the
At 15:12 -0400 2003-07-07, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
The typing habit was designed to assist typesetters in reading the
manuscript as they were setting type.
Either this says that double-spacing after a sentence improves the readability
of monospaced documents, or I
Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:41:21 +0100 Michael Everson wrote:
At 14:27 -0400 2003-07-07, Frank da Cruz wrote:
EMACS aside, it's still an interesting question why -- in English at
least -- it was customary thoughout the 20th century to put two spaces
after a period when typing. I expect it must
From Robert Bringhurst's Elements of Typographic Style, pp. 28-20:
Use a single word space between sentences. In the nineteenth
century, which was a dark and inflationary age in typography and type
design, many compositors were encouraged to stuff extra space between
sentences. Generations of
Tex Texin posted on my indication that only U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE and
U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE are available in Unicode for a
digit-grouping space in numbers:
Jim, Why do you leave out U+2007 figure space?
U+2007 FIGURE SPACE is also a non-breaking space.
But Philip Verdy claimed (and I
On Monday, July 07, 2003 9:41 PM, Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 15:03 -0400 2003-07-07, Tex Texin wrote:
When is a character properly called a currency sign?
Hunh? When you use it to represent currency. DM was two characters
used as a character sign in Germany.
As well as
Michael Everson posted:
Typists were taught to do it generally, but the origin of the
practice is to assist the typesetters.
No so. It predates typewriters and one can see this style in the
typography in many books of the Victorian era and the early decades of
the twentieth century.
From
On Monday, July 07, 2003 10:03 PM, Frank da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here, by the way, is a the formal definition of a sentence in EMACS:
http://www.gnu.org/manual/emacs-lisp-intro/html_node/sentence-end.html
A great deal of other text processing software uses similar rules.
It is worth
It is worth noting that what is described here is the default running mode of
Emacs for the English locale. There are a lot more modes on Emacs to
handle various languages (including programming languages).
Of course. But without two spaces you have greater ambiguity, at least in
English: In
On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 4:08 PM, Frank da Cruz wrote:
Of course. But without two spaces you have greater ambiguity, at
least in
English: In Mr. Roberts, what is the function of the period?
Don't call me Mr. Roberts is my name.
Don't call me Mr. Roberts is my name.
IIRC the English
At 18:08 -0400 2003-07-07, Frank da Cruz wrote:
It is worth noting that what is described here is the default
running mode of
Emacs for the English locale. There are a lot more modes on Emacs to
handle various languages (including programming languages).
Of course. But without two spaces you
On Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:08 AM, Frank da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is worth noting that what is described here is the default
running mode of Emacs for the English locale. There are a lot more
modes on Emacs to handle various languages (including programming
languages).
Of
At 16:22 -0600 2003-07-07, John H. Jenkins wrote:
IIRC the English prefer to say Mr Roberts.
The, ahem, Irish too. ;-)
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 4:38 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
At 16:22 -0600 2003-07-07, John H. Jenkins wrote:
IIRC the English prefer to say Mr Roberts.
The, ahem, Irish too. ;-)
Well, to be frank, I'm sure that the Welsh, Scots, and Manx probably
do, too. (Did I leave anybody out *this*
Philippe Verdy wrote:
XEU (the past European Currency Unit replaced by the Euro in a different
area of countries excluding GB and DK,
Also excluding SE.
Stefan
At 01:10 +0200 2003-07-08, Philippe Verdy wrote:
I forgot to ask something: is there a Unicode codepoint assigned to
the abbreviation dot (a narrower dot with less margins on left and
right than the standard dot), as it seems to be used in some
typesetted texts to differentiate it from the
At 17:00 -0600 2003-07-07, John H. Jenkins wrote:
IIRC the English prefer to say Mr Roberts.
The, ahem, Irish too. ;-)
Well, to be frank, I'm sure that the Welsh, Scots, and Manx probably
do, too. (Did I leave anybody out *this* time?)
The Cornish, of course. :-)
--
Michael Everson * * Everson
John H. Jenkins wrote:
On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 4:38 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
At 16:22 -0600 2003-07-07, John H. Jenkins wrote:
IIRC the English prefer to say Mr Roberts.
The, ahem, Irish too. ;-)
Well, to be frank, I'm sure that the Welsh, Scots, and Manx probably
do, too.
On 07/07/2003 2:51 PM, Peter Kirk wrote:
... Also a surprising number of languages have been
written in Hebrew script at various times. ...
One doesn't have to look at exotic languages (or the Hebrew Bible) to find
strange uses of Hebrew characters. I have a modern Hebrew-English dictionary
Right. I was only thinking that if U+202F wasn't available it might be a
better choice than NBSP.
tex
Jim Allan wrote:
Tex Texin posted on my indication that only U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE and
U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE are available in Unicode for a
digit-grouping space in numbers:
Jim,
There are lots of ways to indicate a currency, but I wouldn't think of EUR or
the other three character codes listed in this note as signs. (Although the
ISO 4217 3-letter codes replace where signs were previously used, in most
cases.)
tex
Philippe Verdy wrote:
On Monday, July 07, 2003 9:41
On Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:57 AM, Stefan Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Philippe Verdy wrote:
XEU (the past European Currency Unit replaced by the Euro in a
different area of countries excluding GB and DK,
Also excluding SE.
Sorry, I should have named it. But has ever Sweden (and
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Philippe Verdy wrote:
On Monday, July 07, 2003 9:41 PM, Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 15:03 -0400 2003-07-07, Tex Texin wrote:
When is a character properly called a currency sign?
Hunh? When you use it to represent currency. DM was two characters
At 08:51 07/07/2003, Ted Hopp wrote:
... Given the small number of attested sequences that would be
adversely affected by normalisation re-ordering, I'm beginning to
favour the idea of encoding these sequences as individual characters.
We'd probably only need three or four, plus a right
On 06/07/2003 17:22, John Hudson wrote:
Thanks for the thoughtful analysis, Peter. Eli Evans and I have been
documenting all of the unique mark sequences in the Michigan-Claremont
text and WTS morphology database that are potentially incorrectly
re-ordered in Unicode normalisation (I say
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