Re: Questions on ZWNBS - for line initial holam plus alef

2003-08-10 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Saturday, August 09, 2003 11:14 PM, Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/08/2003 13:41, John Cowan wrote: Peter Kirk scripsit: The gap may not be large, but Philippe, John H and I have identified a real gap. Why this antagonism against filling it? What you

Re: Display of Isolated Nonspacing Marks (was Re: Questions on ZWNBS...)

2003-08-10 Thread Mark Davis
As for oe-ligature, the French representative to WG3 (or its predecessor) said that France could live without it. Even worse; the story I heard was that the committee had planned from the start to have and in positions D7 and F7, but that late in the process the representative from France

Re: Aramaic scripts

2003-08-10 Thread Michael Everson
At 09:00 +0100 2003-08-09, Raymond Mercier wrote: There are omissions in Michael Everson's chart in http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2311.pdf The chart was based on Semitic languages, although purporting to be about scripts. No, it wasn't. There are less obvious omissions: 1.

Re: Colourful scripts and Aramaic

2003-08-10 Thread ekeown
Madison WI Hello: http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2311.pdf before deciding what it is that is meant by Aramaic in the Roadmap? Note that Hebrew descends FROM it, and that as do number of other scripts which clearly do NOT descend from Hebrew. First, I think the

Creating fonts for Akan language

2003-08-10 Thread Kyekyeku.Opoku-Pong
Hello all, I am new to this list. I have a problem and I was advised to contact this list so that someone could possibly help me. Below is what I need help with: Akan is used by about nine (9) million people in Ghana. In 1961, the Bureau of Ghana languages devised a

Re: Display of Isolated Nonspacing Marks (was Re: Questions on ZWNBS...)

2003-08-10 Thread Philippe Verdy
On 04/08/2003 17:36, Kenneth Whistler wrote: Peter Kirk asked: A similar issue which is not Hebrew related would be a (mythical) requirement to display a diacritic like 0315, 031B or 0322 in isolation. It would not always be appropriate to use a space or NBSP as a base character as this

Re: Handwritten EURO sign (off topic?)

2003-08-10 Thread James H. Cloos Jr.
Stefan == Stefan Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stefan m and m$ would be millieuros and millidollars. How could Stefan anyone need anything like that? On this side of the pond, fuel prices per gallon are quoted in m$; I presume they quote m$ per Litre in CA, though it has been long enough

Re: Questions on ZWNBS - for line initial holam plus alef

2003-08-10 Thread Kenneth Whistler
John Cowan asked: D17a Defective combining character sequence: A combining character sequence that does not start with a base character. * Defective combining character sequences occur when a sequence of combining characters appears at the start of a string or

RE: Conflicting principles

2003-08-10 Thread Kent Karlsson
Kent Karlsson scripsit: 4) Encode the vowel signs as combining characters, after the base characters they logical follow. Consider them as double [width] combining characters, that happen to have no ink above/below the character they apply to, but (like double width

Re: Handwritten EURO sign (off topic?)

2003-08-10 Thread Pim Blokland
Michael Everson schreef: You are lucky not having to put up with bad English like five euro and six cent, living in the Netherlands and speaking Dutch as you do. Funny. In our language, the euro behaves just as the guilder always did, that is, the very same as what you call bad English. We

Re: Display of Isolated Nonspacing Marks (was Re: Questions on ZWNBS...)

2003-08-10 Thread Peter Kirk
On 10/08/2003 10:09, Michael Everson wrote: At 01:30 +0200 2003-08-10, Philippe Verdy wrote: Whateer you think, the SPACE+diacritic is still a hack, and certainly not a canonical equivalent (including for its properties), of the existing spacing diacritics, which also do not fit all usages

FW: Web Form: Other Question: Unicode character in Visual C++6 w/ MSComm control

2003-08-10 Thread Magda Danish \(Unicode\)
-Original Message- Date/Time:Wed Aug 6 12:03:43 EDT 2003 Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Report Type: Other Question, Problem, or Feedback Hello , I have Problem with Unicode character in Visual C++ 6 with the MSComm control When the OS is using Unicode

RE: Questions on ZWNBS - for line initial holam plus alef

2003-08-10 Thread Kent Karlsson
Michael wrote: The Name Police reject this utterly. ZERO WIDTH cannot have an expanding dynamic width. Then what about ZERO WIDTH SPACE, which, according to TUS3, p. 238, can grow to have a visible width when justified? And it has the NamesList comment: * nominally zero width,

Re: Display of Isolated Nonspacing Marks (was Re: Questions on ZWNBS...)

2003-08-10 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:32 AM, John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Kirk scripsit: This is a clear demonstration that Microsoft also has problems with the mechanism which has been defined in the standard for ten years, This is a clear demonstration that Uniscribe fails to

Re: [hebrew] Re: Fw: Hataf vowel + left meteg : CGJ or ZWNJ?

2003-08-10 Thread John Cowan
Peter Kirk scripsit: 0598 and 05AE are a better example at least of user confusion. There are two separate functions, agreed, but they don't correspond to the Unicode names and glyphs. If the names are wrong, we can add commentary saying so. If the glyphs are wrong, we can correct them.

Re: Display of Isolated Nonspacing Marks (was Re: Questions on ZWNBS...)

2003-08-10 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:17 PM, Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/08/2003 10:09, Michael Everson wrote: It is the formally specified way to represent what you say you want to represent. If an implementation doesn't do that nicely enough, complain to the implementors. (This

Re: Questions on ZWNBS - for line initial holam plus alef

2003-08-10 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Peter Kirk said: Tell Microsoft! (See Noah Levitt's posting.) Indeed. If this is indeed The standard way to do what you want, then the standard needs to make it clear that the sequence of space, combining mark or NBSP, combining mark has the properties which I want, i.e. it has the

Re: [hebrew] Re: Roadmap---Mandaic, Early Aramaic, Samaritan

2003-08-10 Thread ekeown
Elaine Keown Madison Dearest Michael, I really, really, really don't have time to debug your dissatisfaction with the use of the word Aramaic in the Roadmaps. This is NOT something anyone is working actively on right now. When a I'm not writing about

Re: Display of Isolated Nonspacing Marks (problems with UAX#29)

2003-08-10 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:17 PM, Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/08/2003 10:09, Michael Everson wrote: At 01:30 +0200 2003-08-10, Philippe Verdy wrote: Whateer you think, the SPACE+diacritic is still a hack, and certainly not a canonical equivalent (including for its

Re: Questions on ZWNBS - for line initial holam plus alef

2003-08-10 Thread Peter Kirk
On 07/08/2003 07:27, Philippe Verdy wrote: On Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:40 AM, Doug Ewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Whistler kenw at sybase dot com wrote: But I challenge you to find anything in the standard that *prohibits* such sequences from occurring. I've learned

Re: Display of Isolated Nonspacing Marks (was Re: Questions on ZWNBS...)

2003-08-10 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Peter Kirk asked: If I want to do this, should I explicitly encode a dotted circle, or should I encode nothing and expect the font to generate the dotted circle, as it often does? If you want to represent the text content of a dotted circle with an accent on it, the recommended