Re: OpenType vs TrueType (was current version of unicode-font)

2004-12-04 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Ok, slight variation on the questions to date. which opentype fonts (other than Dolous SIL and Code2000) support the placement of combining diacritics? Andrew Andrew Cunningham andj_c at iprimus.com.au andrewc at vicnet.net.au

RE: OpenType vs TrueType (was current version of unicode-font)

2004-12-04 Thread Peter Constable
From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What alarmed me is that this domain was previously referencing Microsoft's documentation. Not that I know of. Also the fact that Microsoft's presentation of OpenType (previously TrueType Open, previously TrueType) has removed the reference

Re: Nicest UTF

2004-12-04 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Philippe Verdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Random access by code point index means that you don't use strings as immutable objects, No. Look at Python, Java and C#: their strings are immutable (don't change in-place) and are indexed by integers (not

Re: latin equivalent to specific indian characters

2004-12-04 Thread Rene Hache
Regarding the following: I think the obvious thing to do if you want to sort in the Pali/Sanskrit alphabetical (alphabetical is not quite the right word here) May I ask what the right word or terminology is? Thanks, René = Rene Hache Medical Chi-kung Practitioner Victoria Healing

Re: latin equivalent to specific indian characters

2004-12-04 Thread Chris Jacobs
Regarding the following: I think the obvious thing to do if you want to sort in the Pali/Sanskrit alphabetical (alphabetical is not quite the right word here) May I ask what the right word or terminology is? Thanks, René Chapter six of the unicode book ( the book is on

Re: Nicest UTF

2004-12-04 Thread Deborah Goldsmith
On Dec 3, 2004, at 2:54 AM, Andrew C. West wrote: I strongly agree that all Unicode implementations should cover all of Unicode, and not just the BMP, and it really annoys me when they don't; but suggesting that you need to implement supra-BMP characters because they are going to start popping

Re: OpenType vs TrueType (was current version of unicode-font)

2004-12-04 Thread John Hudson
Philippe Verdy wrote: What is strange also is that the www.opentype.org web site is a page whose title refers to Arial Unicode MS. Isn't it a Microsoft font? These things all combined are very intrigating. Arial is a Monotype face: design, copyright, trademark. Always has been. Arial Unicode MS

Re: OpenType vs TrueType (was current version of unicode-font)

2004-12-04 Thread John Hudson
Philippe Verdy wrote: What is strange also is that the www.opentype.org web site is a page whose title refers to Arial Unicode MS. Isn't it a Microsoft font? These things all combined are very intrigating. Arial is a Monotype face: design, copyright, trademark. Always has been. Arial Unicode MS

Re: OpenType vs TrueType (was current version of unicode-font)

2004-12-04 Thread John Hudson
Antoine Leca wrote: On Behalf Of Christopher Fynn If a Windows application needs to properly display Unicode text for languages such as Hindi, Tamil, Bengali, Nepali, Sinhala, Arabic, Urdu and so on then it probably needs to support OpenType GSUB and GPOS lookups. Not just probably. Well, there

Re: No Invisible Character - NBSP at the start of a word

2004-12-04 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
John Hudson wrote: Mark E. Shoulson wrote: Well, that's the difference under discussion. The plain text would seem to be either the qere or the ketiv (but not the combined blended form), since each of those is somewhat sensible. Is there some place in the standard where it says text must be

Re: Nicest UTF

2004-12-04 Thread Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
Philippe Verdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's nothing that requires the string storage to use the same exposed array, The point is that indexing should better be O(1). Not having a constant side per code point requires one of three things: 1. Using opaque iterators instead of integer

Re: No Invisible Character - NBSP at the start of a word

2004-12-04 Thread John Hudson
Mark E. Shoulson wrote: That said, I have nothing against using NBSP and various other tricks and winding up supporting this. Even the INVISIBLE LETTER might make sense in some settings (e.g. where you have something to be drawn in later but the diacritic is printed now, for some reason).

script complexity, was Re: OpenType vs TrueType (was current version of unicode-font)

2004-12-04 Thread Richard Cook
On Dec 4, 2004, at 12:15 PM, John Hudson wrote: I think Peter's point was that complex script require font layout tables Script complexity is not so easily quantified. Has anyone tried to sort scripts by complexity? In terms of the present discussion, Han would be viewed as a simple script, and

Re: script complexity, was Re: OpenType vs TrueType

2004-12-04 Thread Doug Ewell
Richard Cook rscook at socrates dot berkeley dot edu wrote: Script complexity is not so easily quantified. Has anyone tried to sort scripts by complexity? In terms of the present discussion, Han would be viewed as a simple script, and yet it is simple only in terms of the script model in