RE: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread Peter Constable
From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of John Dlugosz This last message is certainly more on topic there, it discusses existing characters and their usage in some experimental (mostly I think so too. Then please trim the scope of discussion to

Re: Questionable lines on LineBreakTest.txt

2010-06-09 Thread Masaaki Shibata
I think I understood at last. I wrongly guessed about the behavior of the regex-based implementation. - NU CP PO matches the pattern. So NU × CP × PO. - CP PO doesn't. Now default rule (LB31) comes; so CP ÷ PO. These are what LineBreakTest.txt is saying and why the implementation notes are added

Unicode math examples

2010-06-09 Thread Doug Ewell
Can anyone point me to some *real-world* examples of mathematics text encoded in Unicode, including (especially) the Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols starting at U+1D400? I'm trying to determine compression characteristics for such text, using different techniques. I am *not* looking for

Re: Hexadecimal digits A-F

2010-06-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le mardi 08 juin 2010 à 20:51 +0200, Philippe Verdy a écrit : This last message is certainly more on topic I'll stay on topic too. In the beginit of the thread, there was some discussion about the fact that the use of A-F letters for hexadecimal digits was a frequently asked question. It has

Re: Hexadecimal digits A-F

2010-06-09 Thread Otto Stolz
Hello, am 2010-06-09 15:10, schrieb Frédéric Grosshans: I think adding the relevant few lines in the Archive of Notices of Non-Approval http://www.unicode.org/alloc/nonapprovals.html might be useful Also an FAQ entry might be useful. I just have submitted a suggestion. Best wishes, Otto

RE: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread John Dlugosz
Were these the same code points it would be pretty hard to read, because we know from handwriting that these characters do look different. Usually fixed-width fonts that programmers tend to use will make these glyphs distinguishable, because they have to be. Even worse, some

RE: Unicode math examples

2010-06-09 Thread Murray Sargent
Doug asks, Can anyone point me to some *real-world* examples of mathematics text encoded in Unicode, including (especially) the Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols starting at U+1D400? Here are two documents with such text: Unicode Technical Report #25 Unicode Support for Mathematics

Re: Unicode math examples

2010-06-09 Thread Hans Aberg
On 9 Jun 2010, at 14:59, Doug Ewell wrote: Can anyone point me to some *real-world* examples of mathematics text encoded in Unicode, including (especially) the Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols starting at U+1D400? I'm trying to determine compression characteristics for such text, using

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread John H. Jenkins
Both a decimal 2 and a hexadecimal 2 are an ideogram representing the abstract concept of two-ness, and the latter is derived typographically from the former (and, indeed, currently looks exactly like it). This is comparable to a Chinese 二 and a Japanese 二, which we've unified. Unicode

Re: Unicode math examples

2010-06-09 Thread Robert Abel
On 2010/06/09 14:59, Doug Ewell wrote: Can anyone point me to some *real-world* examples of mathematics text encoded in Unicode, including (especially) the Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols starting at U+1D400? What is *real-world* supposed to mean in this context? Are we talking about printed

Tamil u,uu matra consonants - Orthographic variation

2010-06-09 Thread N. Ganesan
Doug Ewell asked: SS sisrivas at blueyonder dot co dot uk wrote: To the point, There are usage samples, there were/are publications/magazines even run by the then leader of the current chief minister of Tamil Nadu state. There are usage samples. Widespread!, this will be done eventually as

Re: Tamil u,uu matra consonants - Orthographic variation

2010-06-09 Thread SS
Ganesan, Rather than ZWNj, it would be better to allow fonts that do not complex render so we can extend thse easily to simple devices, such as fridge/freezers and may be simple mobli phone texts. What we need is 1/the removal of dotted circles 2/ allow a complex renderd font to have fallback

Re: Tamil u,uu matra consonants - Orthographic variation

2010-06-09 Thread N. Ganesan
I don't understand your statement. Without ZWNJ, how can a user distinguish between a ligated u,uu matra consonant with an unligated one. Often both forms appear on the same page, so with the same font, to show both ortho variants, it is simple and easy-to-explain if ZWNJ is employed. N.

Re: Tamil u,uu matra consonants - Orthographic variation

2010-06-09 Thread Asmus Freytag
Can we stop double posting on Unicode and Unicore list? People on the unicode list cannot reply to people on the other list, and vice versa (unless they happen to be mermbers of both lists). Thanks. A./

RE: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread John Dlugosz
Both a decimal 2 and a hexadecimal 2 are an ideogram representing the abstract concept of two-ness, and the latter is derived typographically from the former (and, indeed, currently looks exactly like it). This is comparable to a Chinese 二 and a Japanese 二, which we've unified. ... (And

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread John W Kennedy
On Jun 8, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Robert Abel wrote: So I don't think that we _could do without_ those characters having different code points today. Even back then it must have seemed like a hack to type a lowercase L instead of a 1. It did, young feller, it did, by cracky! And, as a matter of

Re: Tamil u,uu matra consonants - Orthographic variation

2010-06-09 Thread SS
Ah, There is two items to consider 1/ The fonts are separated fo separate use (complex rendered and not complex rendered) 2/ If the same font is doing both functions, then the fallback for non-complex rendered shapes will need to be used (which will be an unknown dependency) if NZWJ is to

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread Hans Aberg
On 9 Jun 2010, at 19:55, John H. Jenkins wrote: Unicode encodes characters, not glyphs. In order to separately encode a hexadecimal-2 separately from an decimal-2, you'd either have to show either that the two are, in fact, inherently different characters (in which case you'd better be

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread Luke-Jr
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 03:34:34 pm Hans Aberg wrote: On 9 Jun 2010, at 19:55, John H. Jenkins wrote: Unicode encodes characters, not glyphs. In order to separately encode a hexadecimal-2 separately from an decimal-2, you'd either have to show either that the two are, in fact, inherently

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread Andrew West
On 9 June 2010 20:42, John Dlugosz jdlug...@tradestation.com wrote: What about the special check-writing form of two used in China?  Is that merely a different font, or logically a different logogram used for a distinct purpose? The latter. How about the radio/PA-speak alternatives for

Re: Hexadecimal digits

2010-06-09 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 06/09/2010 04:48 PM, Luke-Jr wrote: I have 20 cans. How do you convey the base from that context? It's 15 degrees outside. How do you convey temperature scale (Fahrenheit vs Celcius) from context? Is this still relevant to Unicode? ~mark

Re: Latin Script

2010-06-09 Thread Tulasi
Mark - http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=\p{sc%3DLatn} I think I have got the answer to my question in above link. Thanks Mark! Any letter/symbol has LATIN as part of its name should be pat of present day Latin-script. Is there any new letter/symbol added to Latin-script