Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread satai
Documents N3923 “Proposal to add an Armenian Eternity Sign to the UCS” (Karl Pentzlin, 2010-09-24) and N3924 “Proposal to encode two symbols for Armenian in the UCS” (L2/10-354, Michael Everson, 2010-09-24) propose to include RIGHT-FACING ARMENIAN ETERNITY SIGN and LEFT-FACING ARMENIAN ETERNITY

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread Michael Everson
I would not worry about this, Alex. One of the characters has been added in part for compatibility with an existing Armenian Standard, and is named because of its use, with a particular meaning ('eternity') in Armenia. This does not prevent anyone in Georgia or anywhere else from using it as a

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread satai
In fact the two characters are being encoded not in Plane 1, but in the Armenian block. I happen to know that some Armenian font foundries are working on early implementations using the code positions there. Do you mean their actual codes will be different from U+1F53E and U+1F53F, specified in

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread Michael Everson
On 19 Jan 2012, at 14:20, satai wrote: Do you mean their actual codes will be different from U+1F53E and U+1F53F, specified in M57.13? Yes. A subsequent decision based on NB feedback on the first ballot was to move them (back) to the Armenian block. I am not worried, I am just trying to

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread satai
Well we could try to find some other name, but I don't think that SOME SORT OF SUNLIKE SPIRAL SYMBOL is better than ARMENIAN ETERNITY SIGN. It could be just ETERNITY SIGN or SOLAR SIGN (doesn't matter), without specific attribution. (I am speaking about common-use dingbat block, of course) Do

RE: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread Doug Ewell
satai satai at akauri dot com wrote: I am not worried, I am just trying to understand why keeping national attribution for a common-use character is so principal, while these symbols have specific meaning in more than one culture and the proposed name is not a well-known one. I always

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread Andrew West
On 19 January 2012 15:26, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: I always assumed that ARMENIAN in the name of these characters referred to the script with which they are usually used, not the country of Armenia. Names of countries aren't normally used in character names; that's why we have FARSI

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread satai
This is a true dingbat, it is not used neither in Armenian, nor in Georgian script if we stay within a scope of writing system. If we get beyond this scope, then it is used both in Armenian and in Georgian scripts. (What about FARSI SYMBOL, there is no confusion, it is specific to a culture, which

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread Michael Everson
On 19 Jan 2012, at 16:33, satai wrote: RIGHT-FACING ETERNITY SIGN and LEFT-FACING ETERNITY SIGN are completely neutral names. Except that this is used as an Eternity Sign only in Armenia. it does not seem to me that The Borjgali (a Georgian symbol of the Sun with seven rotating wings) shown

RE: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread Doug Ewell
satai satai at akauri dot com wrote: I am sure that in this case Armenian does refer to the script According to definition, script is a collection of letters and other written signs used to represent textual information in one or more writing systems. [http://unicode.org/glossary/#S] This

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread satai
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.comwrote: Except that this is used as an Eternity Sign only in Armenia. This is not correct. Georgian meaning is quite broad and I provided the most widely accepted one. Other meanings are flow of time and eternity. (This can be

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread satai
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: I didn't say the symbols WERE an integral part of the Armenian script, but that they were usually used WITH it. I commented this case in second part of my reply, but if I somehow offended you, please, accept my true

RE: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread Doug Ewell
satai wrote: Again, I apologize if I offended you in my reply somehow. No offense, just trying to keep facts straight. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA http://www.ewellic.org | @DougEwell ­

Re: Armenian Eternity Sign (proposal)

2012-01-19 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 01/19/2012 01:07 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: Claims that the Unicode-assigned name of a character, script, or block is biased or racist or prejudiced against a certain group never get very far with me, I'm afraid. But wouldn't it be nice to head one off *before* the name is unchangeable, for a