Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread srivas sinnathurai
Dear All, Anusvara and Visarga are not required for Tamil. Tamil Grammar (first chapter) deals with writing system. Tamil writing system is different to mostly other Indic system. primarily, Tamil alphabet does not represent sounds, but represents Places of articulation. Most Indic alphabet

Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Doug Ewell
N. Ganesan naa dot ganesan at gmail dot com wrote: On another thinking, I feel it will be even better to add more characters to Tamil to help in transliterating from other Indian languages. Yes. Anusvara and Visarga are core characters needed for transliteration in Tamil script. The Indic,

RE: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Peter Constable
Srivas: You shouldn’t take a narrow view of the impact of the Tamil script. Apparently, there are people that embrace it even when trying to write text in languages other than the primary one it was associated with. This is not unlike people using Hangul script for phonetic transcription of

Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread srivas sinnathurai
Dear All, There is a misunderstanding about Tamil here. To my knowledge, in day to day usage Tamil uses far more sounds than any language in the world. This is because Tamil alphabet represents places of articulation and it is scalable. Alphabet that represent sound is not scalable but straight

Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread srivas sinnathurai
Dear All, There is a misunderstanding about Tamil here. To my knowledge, in day to day usage Tamil uses far more sounds than any language in the world. This is because Tamil alphabet represents places of articulation and it is scalable. Alphabet that represent sound is not scalable but straight

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Everson
On 9 Feb 2012, at 11:34, Sinnathurai Srivas wrote: To my knowledge, in day to day usage Tamil uses far more sounds than any language in the world. Nope. So Tamil uses far more phoneme for any language. Sorry, but this simply isn't true. For instance Tamil has 10 vowels [iː ɪ eː ɛ uː ʊ oː

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread srivas sinnathurai
Dear Michael, It is better if you do do some research before commenting. you say Tamil has 10 vowels. No Tamil has 5 basic PoA for generating vowels. then it has 5 of double matrai (not matra) matrai is to do with momental-timin!!! then it has grammar rule to extend vowel timing further, which

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Everson
On 9 Feb 2012, at 13:49, srivas sinnathurai wrote: Dear Michael, It is better if you do do some research before commenting. you say Tamil has 10 vowels. No Tamil has 5 basic PoA for generating vowels. Please learn what a phoneme is. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread srivas sinnathurai
Michael, I had this discussion with many of the western theorists. I'm sure that you are sure what I mean by phoneme and what you apparently modify its meaning to make some ways. take it that by phonemes I mean different sounds. Now can you answer the 5 vowels as PoA in Tamil and numerous

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Everson
On 9 Feb 2012, at 14:35, Sinnathurai Srivas wrote: Michael, I had this discussion with many of the western theorists. I'm sure that you are sure what I mean by phoneme and what you apparently modify its meaning to make some ways. take it that by phonemes I mean different sounds. The

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread srivas sinnathurai
Phoneme is tied to straight jacketed Alphabet as sound. So the Western thoughts does not apply to all sounds generateable represented by Alphabet as poA. You could still agree to the existence of numerous vowel sounds represented by structured PoAs. The linguists are wrong with classical and

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/2/9 Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com: On 9 Feb 2012, at 13:49, srivas sinnathurai wrote: Dear Michael, It is better if you do do some research before commenting. you say Tamil has 10 vowels. No Tamil has 5 basic PoA for generating vowels. Please learn what a phoneme is. And not

RE: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Peter Constable
I very much suspect you are mistaken in those assumptions. Nevertheless, whether Tamil uses more sounds than this or that other language is immaterial. What matters is _in ­what ways is Tamil script adapted in actual usage_ to write other languages: if there is physical evidence that people

RE: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Peter Constable
If you want to make claims about Tamil script having a scientific basis, please take that up with Korean experts who make the same claim of their script, and then let us know when you come to some agreement. Peter From: indic-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:indic-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

2012-02-09 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-02-09, srivas sinnathurai sisri...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: take it that by phonemes I mean different sounds. Now can you answer the 5 vowels as PoA in Tamil and numerous vowel sounds in day to day use in Tamil. clearly different sounds, not allophones massaging, not phoneme massaging.