Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread Konstantin Ritt
What about the paired quotation marks (i.e. source: a«b» - reordered: »a«b)? Shouldn't they be handled by the BPA the same way the paired punctuation marks are handled? Konstantin

Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread Philippe Verdy
Only within specific locales, through tailorings taking into account how they are effectively paired... However this requires identification of languages (and serious difficulties in multilanguage plain-text documents). You seem to assume that » is the opening quote and « is the closing one. In

Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread Konstantin Ritt
Actually, they have a respective entries in the BidiMirroring.txt: 00AB; 00BB # LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK 00BB; 00AB # RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK and mapped into gc=Pi and gc=Pf. Even without the per-language tailoring, it seems like a good basic approximation, no?

Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread Philippe Verdy
Their pairing and mirroring is not appropriate for all languages using them. 2012/6/7 Konstantin Ritt ritt...@gmail.com: Actually, they have a respective entries in the BidiMirroring.txt: 00AB; 00BB # LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK 00BB; 00AB # RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION

Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread Konstantin Ritt
Yep, forgot to mention that the difference is in that that some paired quotation characters might be used alone in place of apostrophe, etc. so that the BPA rules could be relaxed for the quotation marks. Dunno about their mirroring in all languages. I thought the BidiMirroring.txt is supposed to

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

2012-06-07 Thread Denis Jacquerye
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2012 um 09:55 schrieb Szelp, A. Sz.: SAS Michael wrote: SAS As I say, stretched x is in a family of other x's with one or two SAS long feet, which may have rings or hooks on the end of them.

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

2012-06-07 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-06-07, Denis Jacquerye moy...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de I agree, we should avoid bad typography. But isn't a Latin chi (the IPA Latin chi being proposed) with Greek weights instead of Latin weights bad typography? Probably,

Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread CE Whitehead
Hi. From: Konstantin Ritt ritt.ks_at_gmail.com Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:06:04 +0300 Yep, forgot to mention that the difference is in that that some paired quotation characters might be used alone in place of apostrophe, etc. so that the BPA rules could be relaxed for the quotation

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

2012-06-07 Thread Denis Jacquerye
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 6 Jun 2012, at 08:55, Szelp, A. Sz. wrote: but it's Michael himself who's recognized that Teuthonista suffers from a good deal of extraordinarily bad typography, which shows us, that the different stroke weight

Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread Konstantin Ritt
After some investigation, I'm taking my question/proposition back ) There are two major problems I found while implementing BPA-alike (relaxed) rules for the quotation marks: 1) The paired quotation marks that could be used a lone as apostrophes: with the information currently provided by the

Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread Eli Zaretskii
From: Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:50:22 +0200 Great. I really hope that all major web browsers being updated to implement it in their renderers. Maybe I'm missing something, because I don't see why this is such a big deal. The heuristics is fragile and can be

Re: PRI #231: Bidi Parenthesis Algorithm

2012-06-07 Thread Konstantin Ritt
I've updated my UBA implementation within a half of a hour. You're right, not a big deal) Konstantin 2012/6/7 Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org: From: Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:50:22 +0200 Great. I really hope that all major web browsers being updated to implement

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

2012-06-07 Thread Denis Jacquerye
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Julian Bradfield jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: On 2012-06-07, Denis Jacquerye moy...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de I agree, we should avoid bad typography. But isn't a Latin chi (the IPA Latin chi

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

2012-06-07 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Julian Bradfield jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: Surely there is no basis for distiguishing characters solely on the basis of weights that are an artefact of the writing device - nobody would propose using or encoding LATIN SMALL LETTER REVERSED O, I hope.

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

2012-06-07 Thread Julian Bradfield
David Starner wrote: LATIN SMALL LETTER ROTATED P was used; see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BAE-Siouan_Alphabet.png . It has caused some whimpering among those trying to transcribe the text. Urk! And there's rotated s as well. Alright, I take it back. There is no limit to the

Re: Questions on Chinese collation, stroke

2012-06-07 Thread Mark Davis ☕
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Matt Ma matt.ma.um...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have two questions regarding the collation sequence defined in zh.xml, CLDR 21.0 1. Why is U+8303 (范) counted as 9 strokes instead of 8 for collation type=stroke? As a reference, U+59DA (姚) is counted as 9

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

2012-06-07 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 07/06/12 23:05, Julian Bradfield a écrit : David Starner wrote: LATIN SMALL LETTER ROTATED P was used; see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BAE-Siouan_Alphabet.png . It has caused some whimpering among those trying to transcribe the text. Urk! And there's rotated s as well. Alright,