Re: Charset declaration in HTML (was: Romanized Singhala - Think about it again)

2012-07-11 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Philippe Verdy, Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:36:56 +0200: 2012/7/11 Leif Halvard Silli: In VIM, you set or unset the BOM via the commands set bomb set nobomb Should these command specify if your computer will explode when saving the file ? :'o Probably signals the weird fear

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Hans Aberg
On 11 Jul 2012, at 03:01, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Hans Aberg, Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:41:26 +0200: On 10 Jul 2012, at 21:30, Asmus Freytag wrote: On 7/10/2012 3:50 AM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Asmus Freytag, Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:32:47 -0700: The European use (this is not limited to

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Escape Landsome
U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT * also used to denote multiplication, for that usage 22C5 · DOT OPERATOR is preferred * also used in Catalan as a right-side diacritic added after a LATIN LETTER L. * also used in some languages as a syllabic or morphemic separation hyphen (distinct from the hyphen used to

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Hans Aberg
On 11 Jul 2012, at 02:05, Ken Whistler wrote: Incidentally, one of the reasons the set of symbols in the U+2200 Mathematical Operators block got a somewhat different treatment than generic punctuation or other symbols or combining marks, when it comes to unification versus non-unification

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Hans Aberg
On 11 Jul 2012, at 03:51, Khaled Hosny wrote: It can be handled at a different level; when one types 3:5 in a Unicode-complient TeX engine, what gets output to the output file is the ratio not the colon, and colon gets output with 3\colon{}5. Actually, TeX does it wrongly relative Unicode: a

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Hans Aberg, Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:20:11 +0200: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelus Thanks. Scandinavia's history indicates that if known in Denmark, Norway and Finland, then it should be known on Iceland and in Sweden too. I can't recall the obelus being used for anything math in

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Hans Aberg
On 11 Jul 2012, at 12:15, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Hans Aberg, Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:20:11 +0200: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelus Thanks. Scandinavia's history indicates that if known in Denmark, Norway and Finland, then it should be known on Iceland and in Sweden too. I can't

Raised decimal dot (was: Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON)

2012-07-11 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012 um 22:28 schrieb Asmus Freytag: AF ... A nice argument can be made for encoding a raised decimal AF dot (if it's not representable by any number of other raised dots AF already encoded). Clearly, in the days of lead typography, a AF British style decimal dot would have

Re: Charset declaration in HTML

2012-07-11 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 11/07/12 06:32, Philippe Verdy a écrit : 2012/7/10 Naena Guru naenag...@gmail.com mailto:naenag...@gmail.com I wanted to see how hard it is to edit a page in Notepad. So I made a copy of my LIYANNA page and replaced the character entities I used for Unicode Sinhala, accented Pali

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Leif Halvard Silli, Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:01:53 +0200: Btw, the venerable Danish Salomonsens conversional encyclopedia, the 1924 edition, says, that subtraction, quote: is written a – b or a ÷ b, where the – and the ÷ is called the minus sign. [7] So it sounds as if it saw it as shapes of the

Re: Charset declaration in HTML

2012-07-11 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/7/11 Jean-François Colson j...@colson.eu If your document only contains ?php header(location:http://unicode.org;); ? but you save it with a BOM, the BOM will be sent and you’ll get an error message like Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output

Re: Charset declaration in HTML

2012-07-11 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 11/07/12 14:15, Philippe Verdy a écrit : 2012/7/11 Jean-François Colson j...@colson.eu mailto:j...@colson.eu If your document only contains ?php header(location:http://unicode.org;); ? but you save it with a BOM, the BOM will be sent and you’ll get an error message

Re: Charset declaration in HTML

2012-07-11 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Philippe Verdy, Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:15:39 +0200: 2012/7/11 Jean-François Colson j...@colson.eu If your document only contains ?php header(location:http://unicode.org;); ? but you save it with a BOM, the BOM will be sent and you’ll get an error message like Warning: Cannot modify

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:47:33AM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: On 11 Jul 2012, at 03:51, Khaled Hosny wrote: It can be handled at a different level; when one types 3:5 in a Unicode-complient TeX engine, what gets output to the output file is the ratio not the colon, and colon gets output

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Hans Aberg
On 11 Jul 2012, at 15:59, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:47:33AM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: On 11 Jul 2012, at 03:51, Khaled Hosny wrote: It can be handled at a different level; when one types 3:5 in a Unicode-complient TeX engine, what gets output to the output file is the

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 04:20:26PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: On 11 Jul 2012, at 15:59, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:47:33AM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote: On 11 Jul 2012, at 03:51, Khaled Hosny wrote: It can be handled at a different level; when one types 3:5 in a

Re: Charset declaration in HTML (was: Romanized Singhala - Think about it again)

2012-07-11 Thread Doug Ewell
Leif Halvard Silli wrote: As for editors: If your own editor have no problems with the BOM, then what? But I think Notepad can also save as UTF-8 but without the BOM - there should be possible to get an option for choosing when you save it. Perhaps there should be such an option in Notepad,

Re: Raised decimal dot

2012-07-11 Thread Ian Clifton
Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de writes: Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012 um 22:28 schrieb Asmus Freytag: AF ... A nice argument can be made for encoding a raised decimal AF dot (if it's not representable by any number of other raised dots AF already encoded). Clearly, in the days of lead

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-07-11, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: There are a number of other incompatibilities between original TeX and Unicode: For example, ASCII letters are in TeX math mode typeset in italics, but Unicode has a mathematical italics style, so ASCII letters should be typeset upright

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Hans Aberg
On 11 Jul 2012, at 16:33, Khaled Hosny wrote: If I try the code below in lualatex, then the 푩 and the 퐁 both come out typeset upright. There is a “literal” mode in unicode-math package just for that, check its manual for more details. As for the ISO standards mentioned in section 5.2 Bold

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Hans Aberg
On 11 Jul 2012, at 18:20, Julian Bradfield wrote: On 2012-07-11, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: There are a number of other incompatibilities between original TeX and Unicode: For example, ASCII letters are in TeX math mode typeset in italics, but Unicode has a mathematical italics

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-07-11 19:33, Hans Aberg wrote: As for the ISO standards mentioned in section 5.2 Bold style, I’m sorry, I’ve lost the context: section 5.2 of what? I think they call for the use of sans-serif fonts. The ISO standard on mathematical notations, ISO 8-2, is very vague about fonts:

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Marion Gunn
On 11/07/2012 18:30, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: ... For example, in formula mode, when you type “x”, Word by default changes it to mathematical italic x. It does *not* used a normal “x” of the font it uses in formulas (Cambria Math)—that font lacks italic, and if you “italicize” it, you get fake

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Eric Muller
On 7/11/2012 9:20 AM, Julian Bradfield wrote: Unicode is about plain text. TeX is about fine typesetting. Too narrowly defined: Unicode. I think Unicode is not just for plain text, but rather concerns itself with only the lower layer of /any /text system. When it's plain text, Unicode has

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Hans Aberg
On 11 Jul 2012, at 19:30, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: 2012-07-11 19:33, Hans Aberg wrote: There is a “literal” mode in unicode-math package just for that, check its manual for more details. As for the ISO standards mentioned in section 5.2 Bold style, I’m sorry, I’ve lost the context:

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

2012-07-11 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 7/11/2012 11:02 AM, Eric Muller wrote: On 7/11/2012 9:20 AM, Julian Bradfield wrote: Unicode is about plain text. TeX is about fine typesetting. Too narrowly defined: Unicode. I think Unicode is not just for plain text, but rather concerns itself with only the lower layer of /any /text

Re: ASSAMESE AND BENGALI CONTROVERSY IN UNICODE STANDARD ::::: SOLUTIONS

2012-07-11 Thread Joó Ádám
To extend the list, the Irish, Scots, English, Scandinavians and Poles picked up the Roman heritage without the assistance of being physically conquered. And the Romanians re-established it as an expression of non-Slavness. Well, the official language of Hungary was Latin up until 1844. Does

Re: ASSAMESE AND BENGALI CONTROVERSY IN UNICODE STANDARD ::::: SOLUTIONS

2012-07-11 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:17:08 +0200 Joó Ádám a...@jooadam.hu wrote: To extend the list, the Irish, Scots, English, Scandinavians and Poles picked up the Roman heritage without the assistance of being physically conquered. And the Romanians re-established it as an expression of

Re: ASSAMESE AND BENGALI CONTROVERSY IN UNICODE STANDARD ::::: SOLUTIONS

2012-07-11 Thread Szelp, A. Sz.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:17:08 +0200 Joó Ádám a...@jooadam.hu wrote: To extend the list, the Irish, Scots, English, Scandinavians and Poles picked up the Roman heritage without the assistance of

Meaning of Numeric Type digit

2012-07-11 Thread Richard Wordingham
What is a number having a numeric type of digit meant to convey? The old Unicode 2.0 definition definition of digit value seemed clear: Digit value. This is a numeric field. If the character represents a digit, not necessarily a decimal digit, the value is here. This covers digits which do not

Re: Meaning of Numeric Type digit

2012-07-11 Thread Mark Davis ☕
The decimal digits only include those characters that are used as part of a standard positional decimal system. (We would be more consistent about terminology, however.) -- Mark https://plus.google.com/114199149796022210033 * * *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —* **

Re: Meaning of Numeric Type digit

2012-07-11 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Looking at the two sets of Brahmi numbers would also be instructive... Sent from my Android phone On Jul 12, 2012 6:21 AM, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: What is a number having a numeric type of digit meant to convey? The old Unicode 2.0 definition definition of