UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leo Broukhis
In Russian, the difference between Е and Ё is primary at the beginning of a word as they are considered distinct letters of the alphabet, yet secondary in the middle of a word, as the dieresis over Ё is not mandatory. As an example, ель ёлка, but тёлка тель, see

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Leo Broukhis, Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:31:18 -0800: In Russian, the difference between Е and Ё is primary at the beginning of a word as they are considered distinct letters of the alphabet, yet secondary in the middle of a word, as the dieresis over Ё is not mandatory. As an example, ель ёлка,

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leo Broukhis
[Philippe tells me that his message that I'm quoting could have been rejected by the mailing list as spam; my answer is below.] On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: This is an interesting case. A solution would be to be able define a distinct collation

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leo Broukhis
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Leif Halvard Silli xn--mlform-...@xn--mlform-iua.no wrote: You say that the difference is primary in the beginning of a word but elsewhere secondary. And yes, that orthographic dictionary that you link to above, looks as you describe. However, in reality, the

I missed my self-imposed deadline for the Mayan numeral proposal

2012-12-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
But I still intend to do this before the end of January. Jameson

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Markus Scherer
Resending my earlier reply. Apparently, by default, Gmail sends subject lines in KOI8-R if they contain Cyrillic, and unicode.org rejects those as likely spam. I just changed my Gmail settings to Use Unicode (UTF-8) encoding for outgoing messages and hope this goes through. (*Please change the

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Leo Broukhis, Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:57:11 -0800: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: You say that the difference is primary in the beginning of a word but elsewhere secondary. And yes, that orthographic dictionary that you link to above, looks as you describe.

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-12-21 21:05, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: My Moscow Russian-Norwegian from 1987 and my Pocket Oxford Russian Dictionary from 2003 agree that both list words on Ё and Е under the same category – namely, under the letter Е. This appears to be the case in any serious dictionary. The use of

RE: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Joe
Fact is, again, that ёлка - in the wild - can be written ёлка and елка Though you need a better dictionary: it's the diminutive of ель (as in Yel'tsin) meaning fir tree, and is the 4-letter word for Christmas tree. С Рождеством, Joe

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leo Broukhis
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: 2012-12-21 21:05, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: My Moscow Russian-Norwegian from 1987 and my Pocket Oxford Russian Dictionary from 2003 agree that both list words on Ё and Е under the same category – namely, under the

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Jukka K. Korpela, Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:35:16 +0200: 2012-12-21 21:05, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: My Moscow Russian-Norwegian from 1987 and my Pocket Oxford Russian Dictionary from 2003 agree that both list words on Ё and Е under the same category – namely, under the letter Е. This appears

Re: I missed my self-imposed deadline for the Mayan numeral proposal

2012-12-21 Thread Clive Hohberger
Don't worry, I think you now have another 5351 years until the next Mayan Doomsday... Happy Holidays to everyone Clive On Friday, December 21, 2012, Jameson Quinn wrote: But I still intend to do this before the end of January. Jameson -- Clive P. Hohberger, PhD MBA Managing Director

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leo Broukhis
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Leif Halvard Silli xn--mlform-...@xn--mlform-iua.no wrote: In «Tolkovïj slovar’ sovremennogo russkogo jazïka» from 2005 («Dictionary over contempary Russian language»), has located words on Ё in its a separate category, consisting of exactly one word: Ёмкость.

RE: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Whistler, Ken
Leo Broukhis said: Granted, not yet, but by itself the argument is invalid. Unicode collation rules are descriptive; I'm not sure what you mean by that. UTS #10 is a *specification* of an algorithm, with various options for tailoring and parameterization which make it possible to

RE: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Joe, Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:48:47 -0800: Fact is, again, that ёлка - in the wild - can be written ёлка and елка Though you need a better dictionary: it's the diminutive of ель (as in Yel'tsin) meaning fir tree, and is the 4-letter word for Christmas tree. The dictionary of Dal,[1] says:

Re: UCA and Russian letter Ё

2012-12-21 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Leo Broukhis, Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:43:14 -0800: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Leif Halvard Silli xn--mlform-...@xn--mlform-iua.no wrote: In «Tolkovïj slovar’ sovremennogo russkogo jazïka» from 2005 («Dictionary over contempary Russian language»), has located words on Ё in its a separate

Re: I missed my self-imposed deadline for the Mayan numeral proposal

2012-12-21 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-12-21, Clive Hohberger cp...@case.edu wrote: Don't worry, I think you now have another 5351 years until the next Mayan Doomsday... It's only 394 years till the next b'ak'tun. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number

RE: I missed my self-imposed deadline for the Mayan numeral proposal

2012-12-21 Thread Doug Ewell
And as you've no doubt heard to death by now, real Maya don't believe in that apocalyptic mumbo-jumbo anyway. Today was a celebration. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA http://www.ewellic.org | @DougEwell -Original Message- From: Julian Bradfield jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk Sent:

Re: I missed my self-imposed deadline for the Mayan numeral proposal

2012-12-21 Thread John H. Jenkins
http://xkcd.com/998/ On 2012年12月21日, at 下午4:22, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: And as you've no doubt heard to death by now, real Maya don't believe in that apocalyptic mumbo-jumbo anyway. Today was a celebration. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA http://www.ewellic.org |

Re: I missed my self-imposed deadline for the Mayan numeral proposal

2012-12-21 Thread Philippe Verdy
If the name of this ending baktun really means rebirth or renaissance, then the real catastrophe occured 394 years ago, in 1618, just because of the conquest of America by Spanish troops : which meant a massive death of lots of Amerindians (most of them due to imported infections, to which