Re: Question about “Uppercase” in DerivedCoreProperties.txt

2014-11-10 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: |glibc is not more borken and any other C library implementing toupper and |tolower from the legacy ctype standard library. These are old APIs that |are just widely used and still have valid contexts were they are simple and |safe to use. But they are

Re: Question about Uppercase in DerivedCoreProperties.txt

2014-11-10 Thread Doug Ewell
Philippe Verdy verdy underscore p at wanadoo dot fr wrote: glibc is not more borken and any other C library implementing toupper and tolower from the legacy ctype standard library. These are old APIs that are just widely used and still have valid contexts were they are simple and safe to use.

Re: Question about “Uppercase” in DerivedCoreProperties.txt

2014-11-10 Thread Philippe Verdy
Successors to convert strings instead of just isolated characters (sorry, they are NOT what we need to handle texts, they are not even equivalent to Unicode characters, they are just code units, most often 8-bit with char or 16-bit only with wchar_t !) already exist in all C libraries (including

RE: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Whistler, Ken
http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2012/12321-n4342-signwriting.pdf That should give you some ideas about possible alternative approaches for the material you are dealing with. --Ken Could the characters SWR2 to SWR8 be applied to chess symbols or should new rotation modifiers be created

Re: Question about “Uppercase” in DerivedCoreProperties.txt

2014-11-10 Thread Philippe Verdy
The equivalent of strtolower() and strtoupper() is implemented in all C libraries I know (yes, including glibc) and I have worked with on various OSes (and since very long!), even if their names change (because of the unfortunate lack of standardization about their interaction with C locales).

Re: Question about “Uppercase” in DerivedCoreProperties.txt

2014-11-10 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: |Successors to convert strings instead of just isolated characters (sorry, |they are NOT what we need to handle texts, they are not even equivalent |to Unicode characters, they are just code units, most often 8-bit with |char or 16-bit only with wchar_t

Re: Question about “Uppercase” in DerivedCoreProperties.txt

2014-11-10 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: |The standard C++ string package could have then used this standard |internally in the methods exposed in its API. I cannot understand this |simple effort was never done on such basic functionality needed and used in |almost all softwares and OSes.

Re: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 02:39:58PM -0800, Garth Wallace wrote: I'm leaning towards turned, left rotated, and right rotated for the cardinal orientations, … Please keep in mind that left/right are especially bad terms to describe rotations. When you rotate the

Re: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 06:30:37PM +, Whistler, Ken wrote: Could the characters SWR2 to SWR8 be applied to chess symbols or should new rotation modifiers be created for them? They aren't currently defined to do so -- and there is certainly a danger in opening up the applicability to

Re: Rotations, SignWriting, and Mr Potato Head

2014-11-10 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
Oups, I forgot to update the subject, AND made a misprint On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 02:01:09PM -0800, I wrote: See, for example, the Mr Potato Head font http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2014-m09/0003.html ; using the same principles, one could encode most (all?) of the hand

Re: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 10/11/14 22:36, Ilya Zakharevich a écrit : On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 02:39:58PM -0800, Garth Wallace wrote: I'm leaning towards turned, left rotated, and right rotated for the cardinal orientations, … Please keep in mind that left/right are especially bad

Re: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 11/11/14 00:43, Jean-François Colson a écrit : Le 10/11/14 22:36, Ilya Zakharevich a écrit : On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 02:39:58PM -0800, Garth Wallace wrote: I'm leaning towards turned, left rotated, and right rotated for the cardinal orientations, … Please

RE: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Whistler, Ken
Look at this picture: http://www.permisecole.com/code-route/priorites/faux-carrefour-a-sens-giratoire.jpg Imagine you sit in this car and you want to turn RIGHT. What will you do? Will you turn the driving wheel clockwise or counterclockwise? And now imagine that you are motoring in a 1904

Re: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:43:05AM +0100, Jean-François Colson wrote: (I believe that people associate left ↔ counterclockwise etc only because for many shapes, visually, the bottom is just a pedestal for the top. So you “grab” the shape “on top”.] Look at this picture:

Re: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread David Starner
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Whistler, Ken ken.whist...@sap.com wrote: Seriously, I think that Ilya's point is well-taken. Although in English there is a strong association of the phrase turn to the right with clockwise motion for control devices which rotate, if you take the phrase out of

RE: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Whistler, Ken
WIDDERSHINS is shorter then COUNTERCLOCKWISE, but is not exactly a common term, especially in technical English. Aye, but laddie, then we'd have to use DEASIL for CLOCKWISE! And we'd have wiccans after us to spell it DEOSIL instead. ;-) --Ken

RE: Terms for rotations

2014-11-10 Thread Peter Constable
Might also be useful that the primary purpose of the character names is to provide unique, reference identifiers that should be reasonably reflective of the character identity. But they don't need to guarantee unambiguous understanding of the character identity absent of any additional