Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread Chris
On 3 Jun 2015, at 11:24 pm, David Starner prosfil...@gmail.com wrote: Chris wrote: There is no way to compare 2 HTML elements and know they are talking about the same character That's because character identity is a hard problem. Is the emoji TIGER the same as TONY THE TIGER or as

Re: Private Use Area in Use (from Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters))

2015-06-03 Thread John
I don’t use old software, I use up to date versions of everything on a Mac. Very standard setup.  There’s a lot of links there. Maybe they do work in PDFs, but they certainly don’t work in the browser, and they don’t work when I click the txt files. Basically what you’re saying is that PDFs

Custom characters (was: Re: Private Use Area in Use)

2015-06-03 Thread Ken Whistler
On 6/3/2015 5:17 PM, John wrote: so what? There should be a standard way to put custom characters anywhere that characters belong and have things “just work”. Well, that's the rub, isn't it? We (in IT) are still working pretty dang hard on the simpler problem, to wit: There

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread John
So what you’re saying is that the current situation where you see an empty square □ for unknown characters is better than seeing something useful? — Chris On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Chris idou747 at gmail dot com wrote: Right now, what happens if you

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 5:46 PM Chris idou...@gmail.com wrote: I personally think emoji should have one, single definitive representation for this exact reason. Then you want an image. I don't see what's hard about that. The community interested in tony the tiger can make decisions like

Re: Private Use Area in Use (from Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters))

2015-06-03 Thread John
Yep, I clicked on your document and saw an empty square where your character should be. F = FAIL. — Chris On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:30 PM, William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: Private Use Area in Use (from Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters))

Private Use Area in Use (from Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters))

2015-06-03 Thread William_J_G Overington
Private Use Area in Use (from Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)) That's not agreed upon. I'd say that the general agreement is that the private ranges are of limited usefulness for some very limited use cases (such as designing encodings for new scripts). They

Re: reversed Polish-hook o

2015-06-03 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 02/06/2015 21:38, Janusz S. Bień a écrit : I've just noticed the comment quoted in the subject in the description of 'LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED DELTA' (U+018D) and I'm intrigued how it got into the standard. If you look in the NamesList.txt files

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread Philippe Verdy
Compression is even more important today on mobile networks: mobile apps are very verbose over the net, and you can easily pay the extra volume. In addition, mobile networks are frequently much slower than what they are advertized, even if you pay the extra subscription to get 3G/4G, you depend on

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread William_J_G Overington
Earlier in this thread, on 2 June 2015, I wrote as follows: A mechanism to be able to use the method to define a glyph linked to a Unicode code point would be a useful facility to add for use in a situation where the glyph is for a regular Unicode character. I have now thought of a mechanism

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread David Starner
Chris wrote: There is no way to compare 2 HTML elements and know they are talking about the same character That's because character identity is a hard problem. Is the emoji TIGER the same as TONY THE TIGER or as TONY THE TIGER GIVING THE VICTORY SIGN?

Re: Private Use Area in Use (from Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters))

2015-06-03 Thread Philippe Verdy
Note that copy-pasting from a PDF to another document is very tricky, the PDF format requires that embedded fonts use precise glyph naming conventions to map glyphs back to characters, otherwise the Unicode characters sequences associated to a glyph (or multiple glyphs if they are ligatured or in

Re: Private Use Area in Use (from Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters))

2015-06-03 Thread Philippe Verdy
This possibly fails because William possibly forgot to embed his font in the document itself (or Serif PagePlus forgets to do it when it creates the PDF document, and refuses to embed glyphs from the font that are bound to Unicode PUAs when it creates the embeded font). However no such problem

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread Doug Ewell
Chris idou747 at gmail dot com wrote: Right now, what happens if you have a domain or locale requirement for a special character? That's what the PUA is for. Assign a PUA code point to your special character, create a font which implements the PUA character, create a brief private agreement

Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread Doug Ewell
Chris idou747 at gmail dot com wrote: Why shouldn’t there be a standard way to go out on the net and find the canonical glyph for a code? Because there isn't one. Glyphs are suggestions, meant to convey the identity of the character. -- Doug Ewell | http://ewellic.org | Thornton, CO 

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread Philippe Verdy
2015-06-04 2:59 GMT+02:00 David Starner prosfil...@gmail.com: You can’t iterate over compressed bits. You can’t process them. Why not? In any language I know of that has iterators, there would be no problem writing one that iterates over compressed input. If you need to mutate them, that is

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

2015-06-03 Thread Doug Ewell
Chris John idou747 at gmail dot com wrote: So what you’re saying is that the current situation where you see an empty square □ for unknown characters is better than seeing something useful? No, that's why you include a reference to the font in the private agreement, so that interested