Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

2017-04-22 Thread Manish Goregaokar via Unicode
> You cannot even > meaningfully move by single characters in most clusters, because > composing characters generally completely changes how the original > characters looked, so there's nowhere you can display the cursor. Yes, and this is one of the reasons it feels broken in devanagari, you get

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

2017-04-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 00:51:59 +0100 > Cc: Julian Bradfield > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 21:39:42 +0100 (BST) > Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > > > On 2017-04-22, Eli Zaretskii via

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

2017-04-22 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 21:39:42 +0100 (BST) Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > On 2017-04-22, Eli Zaretskii via Unicode wrote: > > I could imagine Emacs decomposing characters temporarily when only > > part of a cluster matches the search string.

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

2017-04-22 Thread Julian Bradfield via Unicode
On 2017-04-22, Eli Zaretskii via Unicode wrote: >> From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode [...] >> I've encountered the problem that, while at least I can search for >> text smaller than a cluster, there's no indication in the window of >> where in the

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

2017-04-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:13:36 +0100 > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode > > > Movement by grapheme > > cluster is AFAIK the most natural way of moving in complex scripts. > > Evidence? Personal experience? > It's easiest for displaying the cursor. It's the _only_

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

2017-04-22 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 13:34:32 +0300 Eli Zaretskii via Unicode wrote: > AFAIR, Emacs allows one to _delete_ individual characters, > i.e. Backspace and C-d delete character-by-character, so the problem > shouldn't be so grave for imperfect typists. Deleting forwards by one

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

2017-04-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:13:16 +0100 > From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode > > At present these are split into two and three grapheme clusters > respectively, and LibreOffice cursor movement responds accordingly. > (SIGN AA starts a grapheme cluster in several scripts of

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

2017-04-22 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:27:43 -0700 Manish Goregaokar via Unicode wrote: > > Do Hindi speakers really think of orthographic syllables as > > characters? > > When rendered as a cluster, yes? I've asked around, and folks seem to > insist on coupling it to the rendering.