Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Andrew Cunningham via Unicode
On Wednesday, 22 August 2018, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > On 08/21/2018 02:03 PM, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: > >> >> > Best we can do is shout loudly at OpenType tables and hope to cram in > behavior (or at least appearance, which is more likely all we can

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 08/21/2018 02:03 PM, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: On 8/21/2018 7:56 AM, Adam Borowski via Unicode wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:17:21PM -0700, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: On 8/20/2018 5:04 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: Is there a block of RTL PUA also? No. Perhaps

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Rebecca Bettencourt via Unicode
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 3:02 PM Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > Ken Whistler wrote: > > > The way forward for folks who want to do this kind thing is: > > > > 1. Define a *protocol* for reliable interchange of custom character > > property information about PUA code points. > > I've often

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Ken Whistler wrote: > The way forward for folks who want to do this kind thing is: > > 1. Define a *protocol* for reliable interchange of custom character > property information about PUA code points. I've often thought that would be a great idea. You can't get to steps 2 and 3 without step 1.

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Adam Borowski via Unicode
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:03:41AM -0700, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: > > On 8/21/2018 7:56 AM, Adam Borowski via Unicode wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:17:21PM -0700, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: > > > On 8/20/2018 5:04 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > > > > Is there a

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:03:41 -0700 Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: > On 8/21/2018 7:56 AM, Adam Borowski via Unicode wrote: > Really? Suppose someone wants to implement a bicameral script in PUA. > They would need case mappings for that, and how would those be > "better represented in the font

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Rebecca Bettencourt via Unicode
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > I think PUA users should provide the > properties of the characters used in a form analogical to the Unicode > itself, and the software should be able to use this additional > information. > I already

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode
On 8/21/2018 7:56 AM, Adam Borowski via Unicode wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:17:21PM -0700, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: On 8/20/2018 5:04 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: Is there a block of RTL PUA also? No. Perhaps there should be? This is a periodic suggestion that

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Steven R. Loomis via Unicode
2011 Thread: https://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2011-m08/0124.html Please read in particular these two: - https://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2011-m08/0174.html - https://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2011-m08/0212.html (tl;dr: 1. the PUA set is fixed, 2. being

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Tue, Aug 21 2018 at 16:56 +0200, unicode@unicode.org writes: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:17:21PM -0700, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: >> On 8/20/2018 5:04 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: >> > Is there a block of RTL PUA also? >> >> No. > > Perhaps there should be? > > What about

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-21 Thread Adam Borowski via Unicode
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:17:21PM -0700, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: > On 8/20/2018 5:04 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > > Is there a block of RTL PUA also? > > No. Perhaps there should be? What about designating a part of the PUA to have a specific property? Only certain

Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

2018-08-21 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Rebecca Bettencourt wrote, > Why don't we just get Blissymbolics encoded as it is? The Pipeline still has the Everson proposal from 1998, but Blissymbols are still in the Pipeline. Scripts Encoding Initiative ( http://linguistics.berkeley.edu/sei/ ) page,

Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

2018-08-21 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 8/21/2018 1:01 AM, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: On 2018-08-20, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: Moreover, they [William's pronoun symbols] are once again an attempt to shoehorn Overington's pet project, "language-independent

Re: Private Use areas (was: Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was ...))

2018-08-21 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 08:53:18 +0800 via Unicode wrote: > On 2018-08-21 08:04, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > > Still, maybe it > > doesn't really matter much: your special-purpose font can treat any > > codepoint any way it likes, right? > Not all properties come from the font. For

Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

2018-08-21 Thread Julian Bradfield via Unicode
On 2018-08-20, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > Moreover, they [William's pronoun symbols] are once again an attempt to > shoehorn Overington's pet > project, "language-independent sentences/words," which are still > generally deemed out of scope for Unicode. I find it increasingly hard

Re: Unicode 11 Georgian uppercase vs. fonts

2018-08-21 Thread James Kass via Unicode
(from 2018-07-27) > Michael Everson responded, > >>> If members of the Georgian user community want to consider this a stylistic >>> difference, they are free to do so. >> >> It isn’t a stylistic difference. It is a different use of capital letters >> than Latin, Cyrillic and other scripts use