Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
As is "Mgr" for Monseigneur in French ("Mgr" without superscripts makes little sense, and if "Mr" is sometimes found as an abbreviation for "Monsieur", its standard abbreviation is "M.", and its plural "Messieurs" is noted "MM" without any abbreviation dot or superscript, but normally never as

Re: use vs mention (was: second attempt)

2018-10-31 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
Organic chemistry would need sub/sup alpha, beta and gamma (perhaps others). A./ On 10/31/2018 3:35 PM, Piotr Karocki via Unicode wrote: We don't know whether the abbreviation "Mr", spelled exactly this way, already

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 01/11/2018 at 00:41, Martin J. Dürst wrote: > > On 2018/11/01 03:10, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > > On 31/10/2018 at 17:27, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > > >> When one does question the Académie about the fact, this is their > >> reply: > >> > >> Le fait de placer en exposant

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/31/2018 3:37 PM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: On 31/10/2018 19:42, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: On 10/31/2018 11:10 AM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: which, if my understanding of

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Martin J . Dürst via Unicode
On 2018/11/01 03:10, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > On 31/10/2018 at 17:27, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: >> When one does question the Académie about the fact, this is their >> reply: >> >> Le fait de placer en exposant ces mentions est de convention >> typographique ; il convient

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Asmus Freytag (c) via Unicode
On 10/31/2018 4:11 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 03:32:09PM -0700, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: On 10/31/2018 9:03 AM, Khaled Hosny via Unicode wrote: A while I was localizing some application to Arabic and the developer “helpfully” used m² for square meter, but

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Khaled Hosny via Unicode
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 03:32:09PM -0700, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: > On 10/31/2018 9:03 AM, Khaled Hosny via Unicode wrote: > > A while I was localizing some application to Arabic and the developer > “helpfully” used m² for square meter, but that does not work for Arabic >

Re: use vs mention (was: second attempt)

2018-10-31 Thread Piotr Karocki via Unicode
>We don't know whether the abbreviation "Mr", spelled exactly this way, >already existed in that time and in that geographical area. > >You still don't see the difference in the meaning? Maybe another example, from chemistry: 14C = isotope of carbon (carbon 14) 14C = 14 units of carbon (mole,

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Ken Whistler wrote, > Trying to represent all aspects of text in manuscripts, > including handwriting conventions, as plain text is > hopeless. There is no principled line to draw there > before you get into arbitrary calligraphic conventions. Very much agree.  The post card in question is in

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 31/10/2018 19:42, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: > > On 10/31/2018 11:10 AM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > > > > > which, if my understanding of "convient" is correct, carefully does > > > [not] quite say that it is *wrong* not to superscript, but that one should > > > superscript

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 31/10/18 at 23:05, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: […] > > Sad that Arabic ² and ³ are still missing. > > How about all the other sets of native digits? The missing ones are hopefully already on the roadmap. Or do you refer to the missing ² and ³ in all other native digits? Obviously they

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 31/10/2018 at 17:27, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > > On 2018-10-31, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > > > Preformatted Unicode superscript small letters are meeting the French > > superscript > > requirement, that is found in: > >

use vs mention (was: second attempt)

2018-10-31 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Wed, Oct 31 2018 at 9:38 GMT, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > On 2018-10-31, Janusz S. =?utf-8?Q?Bie=C5=84?= via Unicode > wrote: [...] >> The relevant fragment of the postcard in a loose translation is >> >> Use the following address: ... >> is the abbreviation of

Re: second attempt

2018-10-31 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Wed, Oct 31 2018 at 9:38 GMT, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > On 2018-10-31, Janusz S. =?utf-8?Q?Bie=C5=84?= via Unicode > wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 29 2018 at 12:20 -0700, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > > [ as did I in private mail ] > >>> The abbreviation in the postcard, rendered in

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 31/10/2018 at 17:03, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > A while I was localizing some application to Arabic and the developer > “helpfully” used m² for square meter, but that does not work for Arabic > because there is no superscript ٢ in Unicode, so I had to contact the > developer and ask for markup to

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Julian Bradfield via Unicode
On 2018-10-31, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > Preformatted Unicode superscript small letters are meeting the French > superscript  > requirement, that is found in: > http://www.academie-francaise.fr/abreviations-des-adjectifs-numeraux > (in French). This brief article focuses on the

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister" (was: Re: second attempt)

2018-10-31 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
On 31/10/2018 at 11:21, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: > > On 10/31/2018 2:38 AM, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > > > You could use the various hacks > > you've discussed, with modifier letters; but that is not "encoding", > > that is "abusing Unicode to do markup". At least, that's the

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Marcel Schneider via Unicode
Thank you for your feedback.   On 30/10/2018 at 22:52, Khaled Hosny wrote:   > > First, ARABIC LETTER SUPERSCRIPT ALEPH U+0671. > > But it is a vowel sign. Many letters put above are called superscript  > > when explaining in English. >  > As you say, this is a vowel sign not a superscript letter,

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Responding to Julian Bradfield, U+1D49 MODIFIER LETTER SMALL E General Category:  Letter, Modifier Decomposition Type Mapping:  U+0065 It's a spacing superscript Latin lower case "E".  It's a letter. People spell with letters. "One of the goals of the Consortium is to preserve humanity's

Re: second attempt

2018-10-31 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/31/2018 2:38 AM, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: You could use the various hacks you've discussed, with modifier letters; but that is not "encoding", that is "abusing Unicode to do markup". At least, that's the view I take! +1 In general, I

Re: second attempt (was: A sign/abbreviation for "magister")

2018-10-31 Thread Julian Bradfield via Unicode
On 2018-10-31, Janusz S. =?utf-8?Q?Bie=C5=84?= via Unicode wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29 2018 at 12:20 -0700, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: [ as did I in private mail ] >> The abbreviation in the postcard, rendered in >> plain text, is "Mr". > > The relevant fragment of the postcard in a loose

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Martin J . Dürst via Unicode
On 2018/10/31 03:51, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > On 30/10/2018 at 18:59, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: >> >> Marcel Schneider wrote: >> >>> This use case is different from the use case that led to submit >>> the L2/18-206 proposal, cited by Dr Ewell on 29/10/2018 at 20:29: >> >> I guess