Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-24 Thread Asmus Freytag (c) via Unicode
On 1/24/2019 11:14 PM, Tex wrote: I am surprised at the length of this debate, especially since the arguments are repetitive… That said: Twitter was offered as an example, not the only example just one of the most ubiquitous. Many messaging apps and other apps would benefit from italics.

RE: Encoding italic

2019-01-24 Thread Tex via Unicode
I am surprised at the length of this debate, especially since the arguments are repetitive… That said: Twitter was offered as an example, not the only example just one of the most ubiquitous. Many messaging apps and other apps would benefit from italics. The argument is not based on

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-24 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/24/2019 9:44 PM, Garth Wallace via Unicode wrote: But the root problem isn't the kludge, it's the lack of functionality in these systems: if Twitter etc. simply implemented some styling on their own, the whole thing would be a moot

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-24 Thread Garth Wallace via Unicode
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 1:27 AM James Kass via Unicode wrote: > > Nobody has really addressed Andrew West's suggestion about using the tag > characters. > > It seems conformant, unobtrusive, requiring no official sanction, and > could be supported by third-partiers in the absence of corporate >

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread Kent Karlsson via Unicode
Den 2019-01-24 03:21, skrev "Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode" : > On 1/22/19 6:26 PM, Kent Karlsson via Unicode wrote: >> Ok. One thing to note is that escape sequences (including control sequences, >> for those who care to distinguish those) probably should be "default >> ignorable" for display.

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-24 Thread Khaled Hosny via Unicode
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:42:59PM +, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 18:24:07 +0200 > Khaled Hosny via Unicode wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 03:54:29PM +, Andrew West via Unicode > > wrote: > >> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 15:42, James Kass > >> wrote: >

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-24 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 18:24:07 +0200 Khaled Hosny via Unicode wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 03:54:29PM +, Andrew West via Unicode > wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 15:42, James Kass >> wrote: >>> Going off topic a little, I saw this tweet from Marijn van Putten >>> today which shows

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-24 Thread James Kass via Unicode
> Maybe I should have said emoji are fan-driven. That works.  Here's the previous assertion rephrased:   We should no more expect the conventional Unicode character encoding   model to apply to emoji than we should expect the old-fashioned text   ranges to become fan-driven. And if we don't

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread Khaled Hosny via Unicode
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 03:54:29PM +, Andrew West via Unicode wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 15:42, James Kass wrote: > > > > Here's a very polite reply from John Hudson from 2000, > > http://unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/Archives-Old/UML024/1042.html > > ...and, over time, many of the

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread Andrew West via Unicode
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 15:42, James Kass wrote: > > Here's a very polite reply from John Hudson from 2000, > http://unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/Archives-Old/UML024/1042.html > ...and, over time, many of the replies to William Overington's colorful > suggestions were less than polite. But it

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode
Andrew West wrote as follows: … (note that the colored characters do not change the color of the emoji they are attached to [before or after, depending upon whether you are speaking French or English dialect of emoji], they are just intended as a visual indication of what colour you wish the

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode
Mark E. Shoulson wrote: It doesn't just take someone saying "out of scope." It depends who it is. The theory is that people post in the mailing list as individuals, yet some people have very great influence. It also has to *be* out of scope! Maybe, it depends who says what. If

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Andrew West wrote, > Why should we not expect the conventional Unicode character encoding > mode to apply to emoji? Remember when William Overington used to post about encoding colours, sometimes accompanied by novel suggestions about how they could be encoded or referenced in plain-text?

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread Andrew West via Unicode
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 13:59, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > > FAICT, the emoji repertoire is vendor-driven, just as the pre-Unicode > emoji sets were vendor driven. Pre-Unicode, if a vendor came up with > cool ideas for new emoji they added new characters to the PUA. Now that > emoji are

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Andrew West wrote, > ... > http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2018/18208-white-wine-rgi.pdf), just an > assertion that it would be a good idea if emoji users could add a > colored swatch to an existing emoji to indicate what color they want > it to represent (note that the colored characters do not

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-24 Thread Andrew West via Unicode
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 02:10, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > > Unicode isn't here to encode cool new ideas that would be cool and > new. It's here for writing what people already do. http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2018/18141r2-emoji-colors.pdf "Add 14 colored emoji characters for decorative