the whole matter. Many would
prefer that Newbies read the Standard and the unicode.org Web site and
not mention such things in public. :-)
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
I'm sorry. I had no intention of denying proper credit. I merely meant
that CJKDI offers the program FOR SALE in its catalog, and said
nothing whatsoever about the source.
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
-Original Message-
From
I see. My misunderstanding, then. I apologize.
Edward Cherlin
CEO
Web for Humans
Does your Web site work?
-Original Message-
From: Jack Halpern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Mon, October 22, 2001 5:29 PM
To: Edward Cherlin
Cc: Unicode
Subject: Re: Clarification (was RE: T--S
in current
versions of MS Office.
That's just character conversion. It doesn't even handle vocabulary
differences, much less context.
Regards,
Berthold
Japanese Studies, Free University Berlin
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
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Alice in Wonderland
/
are in gb2312, and display with no problems.
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
at the time who could beat
him by mental calculation of raios cubicos (cube roots).
I have shown how to work the problems cited below in Roman numerals, and added an
example of a modern method for handling pounds, shillings, pence (Lsd).
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help
We generally believe that the mathematicians led by
Leonardo Fibonacci won out over the Old Guard in replacing Roman numerals with
Hindu-Arabic numerals, but the victory was long drawn out, and is still
incomplete. Businesses continued to use Roman numerals for several centuries
(because
, Snobol, to deal with telephone
listing conversions, matches, and sorts. Many phone books sort Mc- and Mac- together,
others one after the other but separate from other names.
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
-Original Message-
Behalf
)
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
. Andries
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
apps, indeed there are some that support more
languages, but I have not found any fully multilingual products for Mac or
PC capable enough and reliable enough for my needs. Not that Word is
totally reliable, of course, but I manage.
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo
/ or
huh! /hu'/.
I still don't know if there's any Japanese phonetic scholarship that
distinguishes L and R...
Rick
Is That R as in London or L as in Roma? (book title), pronounced
izzat aa azu in rondon oa eru azu in loma?
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
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(chyotto is written chi yo tsu to), but has been adapted
for glottal stops at the end of words.
If anyone cares, that is.
--
Michael Everson
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
At 04:16 PM 7/2/2001, Michael Everson wrote:
At 12:33 -0700 2001-07-02, Edward Cherlin wrote:
Has anyone proposed the following for inclusion in Unicode? If so, what
is their status?
Daoist Hexagrams, 64 forms (the trigrams are already included, but with
no combining mechanism)
You're welcome
.
Rick
We don't have a problem with diagrams in any case. But we're talking about
using hexagrams in text.
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
sets of trigrams, one spacing and the other
combining. Do we?
(Couldn't a ZWJ be used as a way of joining two trigrams as a
hexagram?)
That would put them side by side. Don't even think about suggesting special
case semantics.
- Chris
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help
Butler. Taiwan, 2001). Some of the
Cangjie secondary signs are in Unicode (e.g. a few Korean kwukyel), but not
in any systematic manner .
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
At 11:14 AM 6/30/2001, Sarasvati wrote:
This is a public service announcement.
Do you think you're on the Unicode mail list, but you don't seem to be
getting any mail? Do you know someone who thinks they're on the list, but
doesn't seem to be getting mail? If so, you may be another victim of
.
I'm also exploring the use of Cangjie for helping Chinese-Americans who are
fluent in spoken Chinese but never learned to read and write Chinese.
all the best
Eddy
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Edward Cherlin
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]eddy
Cc: mailto:[EMAIL
At 08:29 AM 6/29/2001, Richard Cook wrote:
Edward Cherlin wrote:
I use Cangjie to access my character database, since it is usually much
faster than radical and stroke count, and I usually don't know the Chinese
pronunciation of characters I need to look up. The database gives me
At 12:29 PM 6/23/2001, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
To keep well-meaning people from misinterpreting humorous UTF proposals as
serious, while still allowing the levity to flow freely, I hereby propose
that UTFs proposed in a non-serious light be indicated in
At 05:12 PM 6/22/2001, Carl W. Brown wrote:
Ken,
...
Another approach that would be IBM 1401 friendly is to convert the Unicode
code point into decimal number and then convert each decimal digit into a
base 5 and a base 2 number. We can call it UTF-5.2.
The only thing that I can see is that it
At 10:50 AM 6/19/2001, Jianping Yang wrote:
Carl W. Brown wrote:
If there are no surrogates in the database, is there any reason that I can
not change the database from UTF8 to AL32UTF8?
You can change the database from UTF8 to AL32UTF8 in this case. Also you can
use Oracle database
At 07:46 PM 6/12/2001, John Cowan wrote:
I would urge Oracle and friends to move this to a different venue,
specifically
[EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I can see, UTF-8S does not need either
the approval or the disapproval of the Unicode Consortium. If it is
actually in use, it needs a label --
was originally
presented.
Yum,
--
Michael Everson
I once had a copy, and learned to read Shavian haltingly, but that
was long, long, ago. I see that it is out of print, and that only a
few pages are available on the Internet. Who owns the copyright?
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice
At 7:05 AM -0700 6/10/01, ÇÇÒǫǧÇËÇÇ§Ç wrote:
If you want to see some weird furigana, try a Rurouni Kenshin album I've got.
í¡çâà with furigana ÇÍÇǢǶÇÞ
The weirdest I know of is
kin mon bashi
goruden geeto briji
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me
, among others. I consider myself very fortunate that I
discovered how to activate the rest of my brain using math and
programming, among other things, rather than inappropriate
self-medication.
--
Edward Cherlin,
Spamfighter http://www.cauce.org
It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what
any simpler way, just as there is no trivial way to
recognize Greek words like hoi polloi in Latin-alphabet transcription
within Latin-alphabet text.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
, it is proper to identify Chinese writing, Korean
writing, and Japanese writing, none of which consists only of Han
characters.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
that databases in your UTF8 format can exchange
data directly, although I don't know why you would need to.
--
Edward Cherlin, Generalist
It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you know for
certain that just ain't so.--Mark Twain, Josh Billings, Edwin Howard
Armstrong, Will Rogers, Satchel
on his buttons, which presumably would
not require localization, using images is not really blasphemous.
Sorry. Mathematical notation can vary quite widely.
--
Gaute Strokkenes
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/ÅPgs234/
HELLO KITTY gang terrorizes town, family STICKERED to death!
--
Edward
/languages as spoken or written in
each or any.
The term Chinese character, literally zhongguozi jungkukja
chukokuji is not used.
--
Edward Cherlin, Spamfighterhttp://www.cauce.org
It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you know for
certain that just ain't so
whether these glyph had undergone 45 degree rotations during
their travel from LTR Indic scripts through RTL Arabic script to
LTR European
scripts.
_ Marco
--
Edward Cherlin, Spamfighterhttp://www.cauce.org
It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you
cultural slight.
-Doug Ewell
Fullerton, California
It's certainly no worse than talk of the Latin alphabet or romaji in
reference to English words embedded in Japanese text.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
. :-)
:-) What you want is an XML tag.
Maybe UTF-8S should be reserved now as an acronym for encoding code
points for Sound-Glyphs? (Sound-bytes might ignite the 'bits and
bytes' thread again.:-)
Actually with surrogates, they would be Sound-Words.
Bill Kurmey, Edmonton, AB, Canada
--
Edward Cherlin
certainly welcome.
N.R.Liwal
Asiaosft
http://www.liwal.netwww.liwal.net
[snip]
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
alternately, you can get the effect of a blink
comparator of the type used in astronomy before computer image
processing became practical. If you can't keep the alignment while
winking, just look for the fuzzy letters where the glyphs don't match
up.
Or we could ask a typographer. :-)
--
Edward
rules are the normal ones? Every publisher I've had anything to
do with has used different sets of rules, over quite a wide range. We
can't even agree whether ligatures are required in English, or
whether an ASCII-sorted index is sufficiently human-readable.
Ciao.
Marco
--
Edward Cherlin
At 4:39 AM -0700 5/25/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought that Yiddish was a language without a home.
ÅöÇÇǧǢǡÇøÇ·ÇÒÅö
Although Yiddish is one of the best examples of a language without an
army or navy, it is a dialect of Old High German. It was spoken
everywhere that German was,
.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
lists.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo
it.
Alice in Wonderland
is, if
not rich text, at least above the poverty line.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
some ideas to talk to
government people about.
--roozbeh
Another proverb says, Walk carefully with the truth under your coat. :-)
--
Edward Cherlin[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Everybody believes in universal love--
when it is practiced by everyone else.
Chinese philosopher/warrior Mo-dzu
or do I need extra info to tell it's not
a $B@P(B or something?
$B!z$8$eC$A$c$s!z(B
ÅöÇÇǧǢǡÇøÇ·ÇÒÅö or
perhaps Åöè\àÍÇøÇ·ÇÒÅö
/x-charset
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo
it.
Alice in Wonderland
characters, and read out every day by large numbers of Buddhists.
--
Edward Cherlin, Spamfighterhttp://www.cauce.org
It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you know for
certain that just ain't so.--Mark Twain, Josh Billings, Edwin Howard
Armstrong, Will Rogers
languages formerly written in Cyrillic, many of
which are now being written in other scripts (Latin, Arabic,
Mongolian,...), and a number of languages which switched from Arabic
to Latin alphabet in the previous century.
I'm sure that others on this list can multiply these examples.
--
Edward
to get a little better
each version.
MichKa
Michael Kaplan
Trigeminal Software, Inc.
http://www.trigeminal.com/
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
is better than looking at a and asking,
Is this a less than or is this an open template bracket.
There we agree.
#
#-Doug Ewell
# Fullerton, California
#
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Edward Cherlin, Spamfighterhttp://www.cauce.org
It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you know for
certain
scripts and fonts a user has
installed before sending a page? [my guess: no]
Would you like to have to register the character sets you have
installed at every multilingual site you use? [my guess: no]
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice
the sequence meem ZWNJ
meem with no joining. I haven't tried it on the keyboard yet.
I'm going to test this meme out more thoroughly on a few of my
favorites among the less accessible CJK characters.
--
--
Edward Cherlin A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when
[EMAIL PROTECTED
-9A-F]? Sure. Why would you want
that? The data conversion is much faster than the disk read, so you
would be using extra space without gaining any speed.
Thanks and Regards,
Yogesh Negi
Phone : 413 448 5127
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Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo
symbols for everyday English?
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
A knot! exclaimed Alice. Oh, do let me help to undo it.
Alice in Wonderland
he rest of you
have stories worth hearing.
So, what do you think? Shall we? Where?
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
At 9:44 AM +0100 4/18/01, Michael Everson wrote:
At 11:34 -0700 2001-04-17, Edward Cherlin wrote:
What about Pali written in any of Sinhala, Thai, Burmese,
Devanagari, and extended Latin scripts? I know that there is a
problem for Sanskrit written in Tibetan and other Asian scripts.
What
so, certainly.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
At 2:04 PM -0500 4/17/01, Ayers, Mike wrote:
From: Edward Cherlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I would like to point out, again, that there is not now, and cannot
be, an 8-bit code page adequate to English, and the same is
necessarily true for every other language in modern use. More
that this
codepoint is in the Cyrillic range, and regards all characters not in
a range it knows about to be Latin. Is that right?
Has this problem been seen for other characters?
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
? or why Mathew's is consistently misspelled
Matthew's? I don't have a list of errors to submit, but I will
probably have to compile one in self-defense.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
which message is meant.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
ditors use *parallel* markup, where each tag is
associated explicitly with a run of text. The tags can be kept doubly
indexed. When you cut a section from within a tagged area, you can go
out and find which tags to associate with the copy very quickly.
--
Edward Cherlin, Spamfighter http://www
? And when will the new frameworks
and platforms grow to widespread use?
Anyone want to throw a dart?
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
and
1s, and of course the one-character LED readout on top.
Unless you would prefer to wait for the improved version with the
one-character-at-a-time OCR scanner top.
:-) :-) :-) etc.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
and
other standards cases in computers, communications, and related
areas, I would not be willing to claim any more than this.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
Message-
From: William Overington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:53 AM
To: Unicode List
Subject: Re: What about musical notation?
-
-
Does anyone know of any details of metal music type please?
William Overington
22 February 2001
--
Edward
principle, and supporting a fair number of writing
systems in practice.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
some good pointers, directions or suggestions.
Thanks for your time,
Brahim Mouhdi
{42.}
--
Edward Cherlin, Spamfighter http://www.cauce.org
"It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's
what you know that ain't so."--Mark Twain, or else
some other prominent 19th century humorist and wit
ineer
/ \BMC Software, Inc.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
le to find further assistance at http://www.multilingual.com.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
/hn/xml/00/11/08/001108hnmultilingual.xml
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
At 06:37 -0800 2000/11/7, Jon Babcock wrote:
Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Chinese scholar-officials in training used to practice writing the
3000 Character Classic over and over and over...and yes, it contained
3000 distinct characters once each.
What
Title: Re: Microsoft Office 2001 Mac
At 9:08 AM -0700 10/11/00, John Jenkins wrote:
On Tuesday,
October 10, 2000, at 11:54 PM, Edward Cherlin
wrote:
Extended Roman
Unicode Hex
Are you sure about these two? You should only
be able to get to them if you're TSM-savvy and ask for Unicode input
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with art- / lessness \\ -- Piet Hein
In contrast with Bertrand Russell's practice of writing his diary in
English with Greek letters on the theory that nobody would bother
with it after the first glance.
--
Edward Cherlin
Gener
oatia (Serbo-Croatian)
India, Pakistan (Hindi/Urdu)
China, Taiwan, Singapore (Chinese)
North and South Korea
The many Arab countries and dialects
Iran, Afghanistan (Farsi, Dari, Pashto)
or the U.S. and UK in 1776 and 1812. Historical examples could be
greatly multiplied.
--
Edward Cherlin
General
At 7:49 AM -0800 9/13/00, John Hudson wrote:
Otto Stolz wrote:
...
One of the criticisms of the Ethnologue raised at the conference, by Ken
Whistler, I believe, was that it only contains codes for living and
moribund languages, and that many hundreds of dead languages of interest to
scholars are
y Cherlin, Professor of Mathematics at Rutgers
University
[1] This is the mathematician's "of course", used to introduce a fact
known only to the speaker among those present
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Edward Cherlin, Spamfighter http://www.cauce.org
"It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's
what y
topic" or "marginally interesting" to me.
Second the motion. All in favor, please say "Aye" to Marco off-list.
Ciao++
M.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
And in decorative advertising fonts, too.
--
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
on a different system.
best regards
Darya Said-Akbari
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Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
g them at this point.
=
John H. Jenkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.blueneptune.com/~tseng
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Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
remove duplicates. Unless some researcher has already
done it and posted the file on the Net.
Edward Cherlin
Generalist
"A knot!" exclaimed Alice. "Oh, do let me help to undo it."
Alice in Wonderland
{\kern.5em }
\def\thinspace{\kern .16667em }...
The TeXBook, p. 352.
Roughly, then
\enskip ~ en space
\quad ~ em space
\qquad ~ 2em space
\enspace~ en kern
\thinspace ~ thin kern
Not the most enlightening choice of names, but we have that problem as well.
Edward Cherlin
om the beginning of the file. In Unicode, the current 16-bit value
is explicitly a 16-bit character code (assigned, unassigned, or
Private Use), an upper surrogate code, a lower surrogate code, or not
a character code, without reference to what has gone before in the
file.
Edward Cherlin
Gener
l
Society wishes to stop.
Edward Cherlin, Spamfighter http://www.cauce.org
"It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's
what you know that ain't so."--Mark Twain, or else
some other prominent 19th century humorist and wit
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