RE: Is the Unicode Standard "The foundation for all modern software and communications around the world"?

I suspect if you look at the JPEG and MPEG standards you'll find there is a normative reference to Unicode or ISO/IEC 10646. Same for standards specifying C, ECMAScript and other languages in which modern software is written. So, arguably the statement isn't much of a stretch at all. Peter

RE: New Public Review on QID emoji

> Yet if QID emoji are implemented by Unicode Inc. without also being > implemented by ISO/IEC 10646 then that could lead to future problems, Neither Unicode Inc. or ISO/IEC 10646 would _implement_ QID emoji. Unicode would provide a specification for QID emoji that software vendors could

RE: The native name of Tai Viet script and language(s)

" As the proposal for TaiViet script to the Unicode is still on the progress, we use the Private Use Area for TaiViet characters (U+F000..U+F07E). " Er... The script has been in Unicode for about 10 years, since Unicode 5.2. The block description in 16.8 of Unicode 12 provides useful info:

RE: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in Calibri is wrong.

Thanks for reporting. The team responsible for the font has recorded a bug entry for this issue and will be working on a fix. From: Unicode On Behalf Of Oren Watson via Unicode Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 2:05 PM To: unicode Unicode Discussion Subject: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in

RE: Private Use areas

This was meant to go to the list. From: Peter Constable Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 12:33 PM To: wjgo_10...@btinternet.com; jameskass...@gmail.com; richard.wording...@ntlworld.com; m...@kli.org; beckie...@gmail.com; verd...@wanadoo.fr Subject: RE: Private Use areas That sounds like a non

RE: Private Use areas (was: Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was ...))

Layout engines that support CJK vertical layout do not rely on the 'vert' feature to rotate glyphs for CJK ideographs, but rather rotate the glyph 90° and switch to using vertical glyph metrics. The 'vert' feature is used to substitute vertical alternate glyphs as needed, such as for

RE: Unicode 11 Georgian uppercase vs. fonts

Just an observation on these issues: When the Mtavruli proposal was first presented to UTC, several UTC members voiced strong reservation because of the kind of issues mentioned for case mapping, and in particular on database indexing and querying. Several months later, various UTC members

RE: Unicode 11 Georgian uppercase vs. fonts

Alex: Quoting you from two separate messages: > Many Georgian scientists working with script and language are not fans of > "uppercase" font styles. >With all my respect, N2608R2 is right and N4712 is wrong about case in >Georgian. Can you comment, then, on N4776, in which the Georgian

RE: The Unicode Standard and ISO

> ... For another part it [sync with ISO/IEC 15897] failed because the > Consortium refused to cooperate, despite of repeated proposals for a merger of both instances. First, ISO/IEC 15897 is built on a data-format specification, ISO/IEC TR 14652, that never achieved the support needed to

RE: The Unicode Standard and ISO

ISO character encoding standards are primarily focused on identifying a repertoire of character elements and their code point assignments in some encoding form. ISO developed other, legacy character-encoding standards in the past, but has not done so for over 20 years. All of those legacy

Thai phintuu + sara u(u)

Does anyone know of any attested cases in Thai script of a phintuu appearing together with either sara u or sara uu, _and_ with the phintuu positioned below the sara u(u)? Thanks Peter

RE: Unicode Digest, Vol 50, Issue 20

The OpenType spec doesn’t not in any way suggest that the bits be used that way. It’s impossible to assert that there are no applications out there that do that, but I wouldn’t expect there to be many widely-used apps that do that today. On the other hand, something that the bits might affect

RE: metric for block coverage

You have clarified what exactly the usage is; you've only asked what it means to cover a script. James Kass mentioned a font's OS/2 table. That is obsolete: as Khaled pointed out, there has never been a clear definition of "supported" and practice has been inconsistent. Moreover, the available

RE: Plane-2-only string

ubject: Re: Plane-2-only string Peter Constable wrote, > “
 > 欣欤欥欦欧 > 橒橓橔橕橖 > 裫裬裭裮裯” > “
 欣欤欥欦欧 橒橓橔橕橖 裫裬裭裮裯” It looks good in blocks on four separate lines, but would a typical font viewing or comparison tool be expected to break it down into four lines? The patt

RE: Plane-2-only string

, November 13, 2017 2:29 PM To: Peter Constable <peter...@microsoft.com> Cc: Unicode list <unicode@unicode.org> Subject: Re: Plane-2-only string Peter Constable wrote, > We don't want to add BMP characters to the ExtB fonts. So the sample text would lack punctuation. Given that th

RE: Plane-2-only string

[mailto:jenk...@apple.com] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:46 PM To: Peter Constable <peter...@microsoft.com> Cc: Unicode list <unicode@unicode.org> Subject: Re: Plane-2-only string Ʃ ̥ ́ Ӽ Մ ݭ ݹ ந ன ோ ௦ ௽ ఋ ల ు ూ ృ ౓ ౘ ౥ ౷ ౸ ಜ ೏ ೕ ೖ ക ര േ ൈ ൉ ൩ ൯ ർ ൾ ൿ ග ට ඲ ฉ That is an exam

RE: Plane-2-only string

Many of characters in the CJK Compatibility Ideographs Supplement block are quite common Chinese characters, or variants thereof. You could try and build Chinese sentences with these characters. On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 at 20:20 GMT+01:00 Peter Constable via Unicode wrote: > I’m wondering if any

RE: Plane-2-only string

points are used) the font might be auto-detected as supporting BMP CJK by some applications, when it doesn't really support that range. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Peter Constable via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org<mailto:unicode@unicode.org>> wrote: > I’m wondering if anyone could

RE: Plane-2-only string

) the font might be auto-detected as supporting BMP CJK by some applications, when it doesn't really support that range. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Peter Constable via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > I’m wondering if anyone could come up with a string of 15 to 40 characte

Plane-2-only string

I’m wondering if anyone could come up with a string of 15 to 40 characters _using only plane 2 characters_ that wouldn’t be gibberish? We are considering adding sample-text strings in some of our fonts. (In OpenType, the ‘name’ table can take sample-text strings using name ID 19.) One

RE: Unicode education in Schools

I thought Javascript had a UCS-2 understanding of Unicode strings. Has it managed to progress beyond that? Peter From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of David Starner via Unicode Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 5:18 PM To: Unicode Mailing List

RE: Unicode 10 Cover Art

http://blog.unicode.org/2017/08/unicode-consortium-announces-cover.html -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Andre Schappo via Unicode Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 9:30 AM To: Unicode Subject: Unicode 10 Cover Art

RE: Are Emoji ZWJ sequences characters?

Emoji sequences are not _encoded_, per se, in either Unicode or ISO/IEC 10646. The act of "encoding" in either of these coding standards is to assign an encoded representation in the encoding method of the standards for a given entity. In this case, that means to assign a code point.

RE: PETSCII mapping?

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca T Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 2:26 PM > As time goes on, “not in widespread use” will become a flimsier and flimsier > argument against inclusion — why isn’t there a larger community of PETSCII > enthusaists? Partially

RE: Coloured Punctuation and Annotation

William: Michael's scenario doesn't require a special palette index value such as you propose since (i) he could implement a font with alternate palettes to provide different colouring options of his choosing, and (ii) an app can always expose customization options to allow the user to

RE: Coloured Punctuation and Annotation

, 2017 1:39 PM To: Peter Constable <peter...@microsoft.com>; unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Coloured Punctuation and Annotation On 4/10/2017 9:30 AM, Peter Constable wrote: > From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Asmus > Freytag > Sent: Wednesday, April

RE: Coloured Punctuation and Annotation

Michael, your two-tone effect can easily be added into your first font using COLR and CPAL tables, so that the one font can support a monochrome rendering that uses glyphs in which the swirls are fused with the letters, and can also support a poly-chrome rendering in which those glyphs are

RE: Tailoring the Marketplace (is: Re: Unicode Emoji 5.0 characters now final)

_10...@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 7:50 AM To: Peter Constable<mailto:peter...@microsoft.com>; unicode@unicode.org<mailto:unicode@unicode.org> Subject: Re: Tailoring the Marketplace (is: Re: Unicode Emoji 5.0 characters now final) Peter Constable wrote: > The

"A Programmer's Introduction to Unicode"

FYI: http://reedbeta.com/blog/programmers-intro-to-unicode/ The visuals may be the most interesting part. E.g., in the usage heat map, Arabic Presentation Forms-B lights up much more than I would have expected - as much as a lot of emoji. Peter

"Oh that's what you meant!: reducing emoji misunderstanding"

Somewhat interesting: a paper from a conference in Italy a couple of months ago: http://discovery.dundee.ac.uk/portal/en/research/oh-thats-what-you-meant(20b8923c-28da-49ed-bc78-fcc741db3187).html I anticipated old news about misunderstanding based on presentation differences on the level of

RE: The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back

Steele <shawn.ste...@microsoft.com> Cc: Peter Constable <peter...@microsoft.com>; David Faulks <davidj_fau...@yahoo.ca>; Unicode Mailing List <unicode@unicode.org> Subject: Re: The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back On 11/10/2016 02:34 PM, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote: The committee doesn't &

RE: The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Mark E. Shoulson Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 1:18 PM > At any rate, this isn't Unicode's problem… You saying that potential IP issues are not Unicode’s problem does not in fact make it not a problem. A statement in writing from

RE: Running text requirement?

If it’s a symbol / pictograph, then UTC will want to be convinced that it’s needed/appropriate for use in running text. There are lots of symbols that get used in different kinds of presentation but that are not necessarily used in text. Depending on the symbol, it may or may not be obvious. It

RE: The Hebrew Extended (Proposed) Block

Robert, your statement seems to have an implicit assumption that the range 0860..08FF has somehow been reserved for Hebrew. That is not the case. As Markus reference elsewhere, people can refer to the Roadmap charts to see what is tentatively planned for a given range:

RE: Mammal emoji

I know you’re not proposing anything and just providing info for discussion. I want to make sure it’s clear to others that there is no requirement for encoded emoji in Unicode to provide comprehensive coverage (by any measure) of any semantic or conceptual domain. So, if there isn’t any raccoon

RE: Enclosing BANKNOTE emoji?

I wish emojitracker had an option to see cumulative stats spanning only the last (say) 7 days, rather than (I assume) all time. This would be more representative of current usage, fixing the problem of recent introductions. Also, comparing the recent and long-term stats would highlight shifting

RE: Latin glottal stop in ID in NWT, Canada

30 Oct 2015 22:03:31 + Peter Constable <peter...@microsoft.com> wrote: > This is more plausible. The Tlingit peoples live in coastal regions, > SW parts of Yukon Territory and Alaska. That's not what I would have > referred to as "Northwest Territories". And it's total

RE: Latin glottal stop in ID in NWT, Canada

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Philippe Verdy Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:26 AM > On the opposite, Native Americans HAVE used the Cyrillic script in Alaska > and probably as well in North-Western territories in Canada… In Alaska, yes, because the languages

RE: Latin glottal stop in ID in NWT, Canada

e: Latin glottal stop in ID in NWT, Canada On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 06:07:36 + Peter Constable <peter...@microsoft.com> wrote: > From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of > Philippe Verdy Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:26 AM > > > On the opposite, Na

RE: Latin glottal stop in ID in NWT, Canada

e could remain old books transcribing some of those old arctic native languages), but these old transiptions may have been preciously kept by today's native peoples in their local communities, or they could remain in some museum or public library all around the Northern hemisphere. 2015-10-30 7:07 G

RE: The scope of Unicode (from Re: How can my research become implemented in a standardized manner?)

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Mark E. Shoulson Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:48 AM > I have no idea why deposition with the British Library is in any way > significant or even relevant. It's nice to mail documents to people who will > save them, yes.

RE: Rights to the Emoji

Exactly: specific designs are subject to license terms determined by the original designer, which are liberal in some cases and not in others. But the concept of a such-and-such emoji and it's encoded representation are not an issue. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode

RE: Concise term for non-ASCII Unicode characters

, 2015 12:51 AM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Concise term for non-ASCII Unicode characters On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:52:29 +0000 Peter Constable <peter...@microsoft.com> wrote: > You already have been using "non-ASCII Unicode", which is about as > concise and suff

RE: Concise term for non-ASCII Unicode characters

Check here: http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=INCITS+4-1986%5bR2012%5d -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Sean Leonard Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 1:52 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Concise term for non-ASCII

RE: Concise term for non-ASCII Unicode characters

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Sean Leonard Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 1:22 AM > Well what I am getting at is that when writing standards documents in various > SDOs (or any other > computer science text, for that matter), it is helpful to identify these >

RE: Concise term for non-ASCII Unicode characters

You already have been using "non-ASCII Unicode", which is about as concise and sufficiently accurate as you'll get. There's no term specifically defined in any standard or conventionally used for this. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On

RE: Concise term for non-ASCII Unicode characters

ve Swales [mailto:st...@swales.us] Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:00 AM To: Phillips, Addison <addi...@lab126.com> Cc: Peter Constable <peter...@microsoft.com>; Sean Leonard <lists+unic...@seantek.com>; unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Concise term for non-ASCII Unicode characters

RE: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

I did not intend to create a disturbance. Nor did I intend to do anything that might possibly be perceived as seeking action from the list administrator. (I mention that since Sarasvati was invoked.) And I certainly was not intending in any way to bring up moratoria that may have been declared

RE: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

UTC can act on documents submitted to it, or to input submitted to it via the contact form (http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html), but will not act in response solely to topics discussed in this list. -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of

[somewhat off topic] straw poll

I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what evidence we might have of sentiment on the list. So, I thought I'd conduct a simple straw poll - respond if you feel inclined. The questions are

RE: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

AM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll On 9/10/2015 11:04 AM, Peter Constable wrote: I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what evidence we might have

RE: Implementing SMP on a UTF-16 OS

I’m no expert on driver development, but Max’s comments got me curious. “Windows Driver Kit (WDK) 10 is integrated with Microsoft Visual Studio 2015…” https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff557573(v=vs.85).aspx “In Visual Studio 2015, the C++ compiler and standard library

RE: Standardised Encoding of Text

Richard, you can always submit a document to UTC with proposed text to add to the Tai Tham block description in a future version. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Richard Wordingham Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:39 AM To:

bang mail

I don't think it's helpful or even polite to send bang (high priority) mail to this list. Cheers, Peter

RE: bang mail

Possible exception: you've sent mail with a URL that points to something you learned was malicious and want to advise people not to click on that link. From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Peter Constable Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:39 AM To: unicode@unicode.org

RE: Emoji characters for food allergens

Once back when I was living in Thailand, I was riding in a taxi to the Bangkok airport on a recently-opened highway. There were road signs posted at intervals that had a two-digit number (“60” or something like that) enclosed in a circle. Having had enough experience with road signage in my

RE: ISO 15924

:20 AM To: unicode Unicode Discussion; UnicoRe Mailing List Subject: Re: ISO 15924 Yes, and this usage is explained on the page (as it has been since 2006). On 12 Jul 2015, at 07:09, Peter Constable peter...@microsoft.com wrote: Is there a significance to the colours in the table? Peter

RE: ISO 15924

Is there a significance to the colours in the table? Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Michael Everson Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 2:07 PM To: unicode Unicode Discussion; UnicoRe Mailing List Subject: ISO 15924 Please see

RE: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

I never said anything about stability of geopolitical entities. I only mentioned stability of encoded character sequences. Peter From: Ken Whistler [mailto:kenwhist...@att.net] Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 11:24 AM To: Peter Constable Cc: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG

RE: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode (Fwd: Representing Additional Types of Flags)

Erkki, in this case, I think Philippe is making valid points. - For the proposal to be workable requires some means of ensuring stability of encoded representations. The way this would be done would be for CLDR to provide data with all valid sequences --- effectively becoming a

RE: WORD JOINER vs ZWNBSP

Marcel: Can you please clarify in what way Windows 7 is not supporting U+2060. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Petr Tomasek Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 4:48 PM To: Marcel Schneider Cc: Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: WORD JOINER

moratorium on repeated discussion of rejected topics

Dear Sarasvati: There is a new thread on the topic of using characters to give abstract representation of semantic propositions that can be rendered as sentences in various languages - so called localizable sentences. This idea has been brought up repeatedly over several years now and has

RE: Accessing the WG2 document register

standards body in connection to ISO processes, then you are not in a good position to be critiquing ISO processes. Peter From: Marcel Schneider [mailto:charupd...@orange.fr] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:05 AM To: Peter Constable Cc: Unicode Mailing List Subject: RE: Accessing the WG2 document

RE: Accessing the WG2 document register

I suggest that people on this list that have not personally engaged directly in ISO process via their country’s designated standards bodies should stop opining and editorializing on that body. ISO isn’t perfect by any means, but in the many years I have been directly involved in ISO process I

RE: Another take on the English apostrophe in Unicode

Nice article, as I recall. (Been a long time.) Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Kalvesmaki, Joel Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 7:27 AM To: Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: Another take on the English apostrophe in Unicode I don't

RE: Another take on the English apostrophe in Unicode

...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Philippe Verdy Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 12:03 AM To: Peter Constable Cc: Kalvesmaki, Joel; Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: Another take on the English apostrophe in Unicode I disagree: U+02BC already qualifies as a letter (even if it is not specific to the Latin

RE: ISO committees

William (who, IIRC, lives in the UK) would need to start by engaging with BSA. People can't engage directly as individuals with TC 37 or any other ISO committee. ISO membership is not composed of individuals, but of countries, and representation is from each country's authorized standards

RE: Tag characters

Well, the same reasoning could also argue for the contra-positive (a→b ⊨ ¬b→¬a): that UTC should not consider endorsing such a tag scheme. Peter From: William_J_G Overington [mailto:wjgo_10...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:54 AM To: unicode@unicode.org; Peter Constable

RE: Tag characters

Would Unicode really want to get into the business of running a UFL service? P From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Asmus Freytag (t) Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:15 PM To: Eric Muller; unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Tag characters On 5/20/2015 9:57 PM, Eric

RE: Tag characters

Evidently there were more than two type of people. There are those who feel 50 years is long enough; there are others who feel that five years is long enough; there are likely others that feel 75 or 30 or some other values are long enough. Then there are also those who feel that any finite

RE: Future of Emoji? (was Re: Tag characters)

Of Peter Constable Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:47 AM To: Shervin Afshar Cc: unicode@unicode.org Subject: RE: Future of Emoji? (was Re: Tag characters) MSN Messenger supported extensible stickers years ago. A couple of sites still offering add-ons: http://www.getsmile.com/ http://www.smileys4msn.com

RE: Future of Emoji? (was Re: Tag characters)

MSN Messenger supported extensible stickers years ago. A couple of sites still offering add-ons: http://www.getsmile.com/ http://www.smileys4msn.com/ Peter From: Shervin Afshar [mailto:shervinafs...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:40 PM To: Peter Constable Cc: unicode@unicode.org

RE: Future of Emoji? (was Re: Tag characters)

] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:12 PM To: Peter Constable Cc: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Future of Emoji? (was Re: Tag characters) Peter, This very topic was discussed in last meeting of the subcommittee and my impression is that there are plans to promote the use of embedded graphics (aka

RE: Tag characters

And yet UTC devotes lots of effort (with an entire subcommittee) to encode more emoji as characters, but no effort toward any preferred longer term solution not based on characters. Peter From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Shervin Afshar Sent: Thursday, May 14,

RE: Script / font support in Windows 10

When the update with Windows 10 info was posted, earlier sections for Windows 2000 / XP / XP SP2 were inadvertently deleted. Those have been restored. From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Peter Constable Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:16 AM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject

RE: Script / font support in Windows 10

I think this is the right public link: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb688099.aspx From: Peter Constable Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 10:29 PM To: Peter Constable; unicode@unicode.org Subject: RE: Script / font support in Windows 10 Oops... my bad: maybe it isn't on live servers yet

Script / font support in Windows 10

This page on MSDN that provides an overview of Windows support for different scripts has now been updated for Windows 10: https://msdnlive.redmond.corp.microsoft.com/en-us/bb688099 Peter

RE: Script / font support in Windows 10

Oops... my bad: maybe it isn't on live servers yet. It will be soon. I'll update with the public link when it is. From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Peter Constable Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 10:15 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Script / font support in Windows

RE: Are you CONFUSED about WHAT CHARACTER(S) you type?!?!

It's the first time it was retorted to us, AFAIK. Sent from my IBM 3277/APL From: Doug Ewellmailto:d...@ewellic.org Sent: ‎3/‎25/‎2015 3:44 PM To: Unicode Mailing Listmailto:unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Are you CONFUSED about WHAT CHARACTER(S) you type?!?!

RE: The rapid … erosion of definition ability

That would be a bit like our forebears having said, “It’s ridiculous to call them ‘tomatoes’ outside Mexico. They’re just big berries, and that’s it.” That observation may have been true, but also beside the point if, in practice, the Europeans found it convenient and chose to call them

RE: Terms for rotations

Might also be useful that the primary purpose of the character names is to provide unique, reference identifiers that should be reasonably reflective of the character identity. But they don't need to guarantee unambiguous understanding of the character identity absent of any additional

RE: fonts for U7.0 scripts

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Tom Gewecke If someone wants to publish and sell a book in which they say something like This is how Unicode suggests that character U+ is supposed to look: Well, since the intent of the codes is to give indication of what

RE: fonts for U7.0 scripts

I think Debbie's position is entirely reasonable. Sure, having useful fonts in the public domain soon after standardization would be great. But publishing fonts created for the purpose of chart production may lead to all kinds of problems if they are not truly functional, Unicode-conformant

RE: Current support for N'Ko

Don, You mention testing IE 8. That's a 5.5-year-old version that shipped before N'Ko script was supported on any platform. It's interesting that anything worked. You also mentioned IE11 on Windows 7 but testing without the Deja Vu fonts. Windows has supported N'Ko since Windows 8. Did you try

FYI: Ruble sign in Windows

For those interested, there is an update for Windows available now to add font, keyboard and locale data support for the Ruble sign that was added in Unicode 7.0. For details, see here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2970228 Peter ___ Unicode

RE: Corrigendum #9

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Karl Williamson Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:30 PM I have a something like a library that was written a long time ago (not by me) assuming that noncharacters were illegal in open interchange. Programs that use the library

RE: UTF-16 Encoding Scheme and U+FFFE

creating problem. 2014-06-04 1:50 GMT+02:00 Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.commailto:richard.wording...@ntlworld.com: On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 21:28:05 + Peter Constable peter...@microsoft.commailto:peter...@microsoft.com wrote: There's never been anything preventing a file from

RE: UTF-16 Encoding Scheme and U+FFFE

There's never been anything preventing a file from containing and beginning with U+FFFE. It's just not a very useful thing to do, hence not very likely. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Richard Wordingham Sent: June 3, 2014 11:53

RE: Updated emoji working draft

William, the UTC is not in the business of creating file formats for localization data. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of William_J_G Overington Sent: April 14, 2014 12:27 AM To: Unicode Public; Mark Davis ☕️ Cc:

RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Doug Ewell When you backspace it destroys multiple keystrokes. There are two types of people: 1. those who fully expect Backspace to erase a single keystroke It is nonsensical to talk about erasing a _keystroke_. That would be

RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

existing content, but that steps beyond my earlier point.) These constraints in how we think limit possibilities Peter -Original Message- From: Doug Ewell [mailto:d...@ewellic.org] Sent: March 19, 2014 9:39 AM To: Peter Constable; unicode@unicode.org Subject: RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar

RE: [private] Re: Unicode : Greek Extended.

Font tables to position diacritics are not much harder to create than anything else involved in font development, and certainly don't require being a programmer. Hinting is harder than positioning tables and does literally involve programming, though I don't hear font developers griping about

RE: Websites in Hindi

Looking at the thread that William pointed at, the person asking for help gave no indication as to what problems he might have been encountering. Without specifics, the two obvious recommendations would be (i) encode the content using conformant UTF-8, and (ii) use conforming OpenType fonts

RE: Behdad Esfahbod won an O'Reilly Open Source Award!

Congratulations on a great contribution. Peter From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Roozbeh Pournader Sent: July 29, 2013 12:42 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Cc: Behdad Esfahbod Subject: Behdad Esfahbod won an O'Reilly Open Source Award! Some of you

RE: Ways to show Unicode contents on Windows?

contents on Windows? From: Peter Constable peter...@microsoft.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:19:44 + You can't expect an OS like Windows XP to support Old Italic characters that weren't even defined in Unicode at the time it shipped. In all fairness, I think you forget the regular OS

RE: Ways to show Unicode contents on Windows?

Not everything that is technically possible makes good sense. My comments clearly were not framed solely in terms of what is technically possible. Peter -Original Message- From: Eli Zaretskii [mailto:e...@gnu.org] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:36 PM To: Peter Constable Cc: nospam-ab

RE: Ways to show Unicode contents on Windows?

on UCD data. Peter -Original Message- From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Richard Wordingham Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:21 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Ways to show Unicode contents on Windows? Peter Constable peter

RE: Ways to show Unicode contents on Windows?

-Original Message- From: Eli Zaretskii [mailto:e...@gnu.org] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:29 AM To: Peter Constable Cc: nospam-ab...@ilyaz.org; unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Ways to show Unicode contents on Windows? From: Peter Constable peter...@microsoft.com CC: nospam-ab...@ilyaz.org

script support in Windows 8.1

FYI: There's a page on the MSDN site that summarizes additions in each Windows release to fonts and text display components to support new scripts. This has been updated for Windows 8.1: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb688099 Peter

RE: Ways to show Unicode contents on Windows?

on Windows? On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 04:46:23AM +, Peter Constable wrote: Your Tai Tham situation is, of course, exceptional. For a lot of users, though, if they would only update their XP machines to even Windows 7, if not Windows 8.1, they'd find a lot of characters they've been missing

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