Reminder about reporting bugs, errors, and other feedback

Hello everyone... This is just a little public service reminder that discussions on the Unicode mail list are not considered official feedback, and are not reviewed by UTC members or staff as a source for bug reports. If you want to make sure your feedback and/or report gets into the UTC

Unicode CLDR 35 beta available for testing

The *beta* version of Unicode CLDR 35 is available for testing. The final release is expected on March 27. Aside from documenting additional structure, there have been important modifications LDML (scan for the yellow highlighted sections).

IUC 43 - call for presentations closing soon

For those who might be interested in submitting for the 43rd Internationalization & Unicode® Conference (IUC 43) in Santa Clara, California, October 16-18, 2019... The call for presentations closes at the end of this week. http://www.unicodeconference.org/e-marketing/IUC43-CfP-030419.htm

Unicode CLDR 34 beta available for testing

The *beta* version of Unicode CLDR 34 is available for testing. The final release is expected on October 12. CLDR 34 provides an update to the key building blocks for software supporting the world’s languages. This data is used by all major

Server move notice, Unicode

Hello everyone, On Wednesday evening (US time) July 18 the www.unicode.org server will again be undergoing migration. Downtime / off-line period is expected to be a few hours at most, beginning shortly after 17:00 Pacific time. We apologize for the inconvenience. Rick

Server move notice, Unicode

Hello everyone, Over this weekend on Sunday (US time) July 15 the *www.unicode.org *server will be undergoing a migration. Downtime should be minimal, but there is some possibility of brief periods off-line from Sunday morning through evening. The Unicode mail list may be unavailable for

IUC 42 - abstract submission deadline extended to March 16

Hello everyone, The submission deadline for IUC 42 abstracts has been extended to Friday, March 16. http://www.unicodeconference.org/call-for-participation.htm Hope you can join us in September. Regards, Rick

Re: TIRONIAN SIGN ET

Hello Janusz -- Try this: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2017/17300-n4841-tironian-et.pdf Regards, On 1/27/2018 11:40 AM, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: Hi! I try to find in UTC Document Register the proposals for characters which interest me for some reasons. I'm usually rather successful,

Re: 0027, 02BC, 2019, or a new character?

Michael - Lemme know when you're ready to print. I have a huge bag of leftover apostrophes I can send you. On 1/19/2018 5:51 AM, Andrew West via Unicode wrote: On 19 January 2018 at 13:19, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: I’d go talk with him :-) I published Alice

Emoji candidate chart update

Hi Everyone, Just FYI... The new Unicode emoji candidate charts, with updates from the UTC #153 meeting are now posted at: http://www.unicode.org/emoji/future/emoji-candidates.html R

Public review of draft repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646

The UTC would appreciate feedback on new repertoire that is currently under ballot for future additions to ISO/IEC 10646. This includes repertoire that has already been reviewed and approved by the UTC, but which will not be published until next year, as part of Version 10.0 of the Unicode

Unicode Emoji Charts updated

The Unicode Emoji charts have been updated to show the new images from Apple, and the Selection Factors for emoji proposals have also been updated. Among the many other topics at the Unicode technical conference

Re: The scope of Unicode (from Re: How can my research become implemented in a standardized manner?)

William, All right... This is likely to be my last posting on the subject... ... there has been much objection to my invention in this mailing list over the years, with no good reason ever stated, ... If this invention had been made in the research laboratory of a large information

Re: The scope of Unicode (from Re: How can my research become implemented in a standardized manner?)

Hello William, Answers to most of your questions can be found among the pages of the Unicode Consortium website. I'll try to answer your questions about scope which may also be of interest to other subscribers, but please note that *everything I say in this e-mail is solely my own opinion and

Re: VS: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

Doug, et al -- The primordial statement you're looking for is in TUS, Chapter 1 and has been there forever. See: http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode8.0.0/ch01.pdf In section 1.1, page 3: *Note, however, that the Unicode Standard does not encode idiosyncratic, personal, novel, or

IUC 39 call for participation - abstract submission reminder

Hi everyone, Just a quick reminder that the Call for participation in IUC #39 is now open, and the deadline for submitting an abstract is coming up quickly: April 3. All the information is here, on the conference website: http://www.unicodeconference.org/ The conference itself is

Re: Admuncher javascript on Unicode site

Thank you for the report. This is an error on my part: saving an HTML file from a browser window on my own machine while running an ad blocker. I usually don't do that. I will correct this file and update it as soon as I have an opportunity. Regards, Rick On 12/25/2014 6:14 AM, Neil

Re: New Unicode Emoji draft, available for review

FYI, Posting this on behalf of Mark Davis... Something in his original reply message is apparently toxic to our mail gateway that it can't get through. (Investigating.) May be the literal U+1F4A9, which I have (I'm sorry) redacted below. Rick Could be either one [U+1F4A9]

Re: What happened to...?

Hi Mark, This document ended up being delayed all the way into meeting #133, so the resolution is in those minutes: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2012/12343.htm#133-A62 Regards, Rick On 9/19/2014 3:56 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: that,

Re: PRI #273, UTS #39 draft data updated

The draft and data for the proposed update UTS #39 were both changed on 2014-07-24. It appears that the issue previously noted with idempotence in the UTS #39 tables can be addressed for all of the mappings, with some extensive changes.​ The issue will be documented in the text ( see

Erratum report for UTS #46

Recently we received an error report about one of the data files for the latest release of UTS #46, specifically the testing data in IdnaTest.txt . The erratum notice is here: http://www.unicode.org/errata/#current_errata An update to this file has been generated, and that has now been posted.

Re: Emoji [And crash in the Web interface to the mailing list]

Also, fwiw, the new Mailman archives using Pipermail seem to do better than the legacy archives: http://unicode.org/pipermail/unicode/2014-April/000382.html On 4/2/2014 12:44 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: I didn't have any trouble viewing James's examples from the Web interface, although of course

Re: Pali in Thai Script

Hello, This is an interesting discussion so far... What is the current situation of Pali written in the Thai script? Is there a scholarly tradition already? Why are new symbols being used for this purpose in this project? Is it because nothing else exists at this time? Or some other reason?

Re: Mail list changes for 2014

Hello everyone. The Unicode mail list has now been re-activated. If you experience trouble with subscription issues or functionality, please feel free to e-mail me directly. Regards, Rick On 12/31/2013 8:48 AM, Rick McGowan wrote: The mail list will now go off-line shortly, and be back

Re: Mail list changes for 2014

The mail list will now go off-line shortly, and be back after the new year. Regards, Rick On 12/3/2013 2:56 PM, Rick McGowan wrote: At the end of the year, we will be changing the mail list server for the public-access mail lists, including this one. The new system will be Gnu Mailman

Re: Mail list changes for 2014

Hi Don, Rick, Will the existing mail archives be maintained? At same location? This is a good question. The current archives are actively manufactured by Hypermail, and unless something goes terribly wrong, the archiving system will continue to work for now. There will be new Mailman

Mail list changes for 2014

At the end of the year, we will be changing the mail list server for the public-access mail lists, including this one. The new system will be Gnu Mailman, an interface familiar to many. This should make it easier for users to handle their subscriptions and options in one place, via the web

public review issue reminder

Hi everyone, This is just a friendly reminder... There are several open public review issues that close this week, and the next UTC meeting is next week. (Yes, formally speaking some of these issues closed on Oct 28, but I'm still gathering comments, in case anyone wants to submit them today.

IUC 37 - Only one week away

Hi everyone, This year's Internationalization and Unicode Conference is only a week away. You can read more about it, and check out the program here: http://www.unicodeconference.org/e/IUC37-2WEEK-10-09-13.htm

IUC 37 - Call for Participation reminder

Hello everyone -- This is just a quick reminder that March 29 is the deadline for submission of abstracts for the October conference (IUC 37). You can see the announcement and instructions here: http://www.unicodeconference.org/call_for_papers.htm If you're planning to submit an abstract

Re: pIqaD in actual use

On 2/20/2013 4:38 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: How did they find a native speaker? Good question. And then: Why didn't that native speaker beam into the UTC meeting when we were debating the encoding of Klingon? Rick

Brief downtime for www.unicode.org

Hello everyone, The main server www.unicode.org will be taken off-line for a bit this evening after 6ypm Pacific time for some maintenance. The outage is expected to be brief. Regards, Rick

Unicode.org downtime tonight

Hello everyone, Just a quick heads-up... We received a report of a problem in a RAID disk and have arranged to have it swapped out this evening, Pacific time. That will be sometime after 6pm today November 26 (0200 GMT Nov 27, 1100 Tokyo time), for up to an hour. It should be back online

Re: texteditors that can process and save in different encodings

Doug, et al - In your experience, what are the best (plaintext) texteditors or word processors for Linux / Mac OS X / Windows that have the ability to save in many different encodings? Ok, for what it's worth... I personally now use SublimeText2 as my sole plain-text editor on Windows. It

Re: Mayan numerals

Jameson, Michael, et al - OK, I'm going to join in here before this goes much further. (And as usual on this list I'm writing as an individual, and this is only my personal opinion.) You are always welcome to put forward a proposal for whatever you want to see encoded. I'm happy to receive

Re: Website unavailable

To all concerned: Please accept our apologies for problems with the mail list, website etc. Our provider reports experiencing a large-scale distributed denial of service attack that has crippled their data center connectivity since yesterday (Saturday). We do not have an estimated time when

Re: Mandombe

Jean-François -- What decision has been made? Has it been accepted? Rejected? For ever or till more information is provided? I will follow up with you off-list. Yes, the committee reviewed the proposal during meeting 126, and is following up with questions to the authors of the proposal.

IUC 36 - call for participation reminder

Hello everyone. Just a reminder that the deadline for abstract submissions is coming up soon. If you are thinking of submitting something for the October, conference, please see the information below. Regards, Rick *Call for Participation Announced!* *The Internationalization and

Re: Notice of brief Unicode.org system outage on Friday

Christian, Just wondering why the time zone reference is not given in a universal format, like UTC±n, so one in other part of the world can calculate. That's 0700 GMT on Friday. For others: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ Rick

Notice of brief Unicode.org system outage on Friday

Due to some electrical work, the Unicode web servers will be off line for as much as 2 hours 2am to 4am US Central time, Friday May 4.

Re: Origins of ẘ

At Wiktionary, we're looking at ẘ (U+1E98) and we can't figure out where it came from. Good catch. It's obviously another stowaway... Just throw it in the brig until we can get around to deporting it.

Re: Code2000 on SourceForge

And, the most recent mysterious development: unsubscription requests have come in from that James Kass account for all of the mail lists that it just subscribed to a few days ago. It obviously wasn't the real guy. Posting from that address has now been disabled on the Unicode list... Rick

Re: Upside Down Fu character

I would say to use higher level mark-up or images for this. I don't see any reason to start down the road of encoding upside down Chinese characters, or variation sequences, for such things. They are decorative anomalies, not plain text. Rick On 12/30/2011 7:34 AM, Andre Schappo wrote:

Re: Upside Down Fu character

Michael, What's the inline markup for display this glyph upside down? It doesn't really matter, and it would depend on the system anyway. My argument here is that this is a one-off need for some character in a specialized, decorative context. This upside-downness or rotation is not

IUC 35 Conference T-Shirt Design

Hello everyone, Have you ever thought you could design a great Unicode themed T-shirt? We're putting out a call for T-shirt design ideas. But we must move quickly -- the deadline is looming. While you're enjoying your Labor Day barbecue (in the US) and doodling on napkins, maybe you'll come

Re: Fw: Endangered Alphabets [OT]

Chris, How does this differ from what the Script Encoding Initiative http://linguistics.berkeley.edu/sei/ is already trying to do? It is an art project, not a script encoding project. The artist is seeking financial support for finishing a massive woodworking project with accompanying

Re: Pupil's question about Burmese

Hello Philippe Blankert - Thanks for your interest in Unicode... http://www.burmese-dictionary.org/tastatur.php?terme=hoteltermb=%5Bkdw%2Cfid=2970 That page isn't in Unicode at all, it's an 8859-1 encoded page. That's part of the problem. Then, the Burmese characters on the page are all

Fwd: Walk-ins Welcome: 34th Internationalization Unicode Conference, October 18-20, Santa Clara, CA USA

Hello everyone! Just a quick reminder that next week is the conference. We have a great line-up of talks: http://www.unicodeconference.org/conference-at-a-glance.htm and a keynote talk by Brewster Kahle on Tuesday morning: http://www.unicodeconference.org/bios.htm#Kahle This year we're also in

Re: Indian new rupee sign

On 7/30/2010 4:01 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: I find it strange that for a new currency symbol that is to come into use in six months that, in the twenty-first century, with all the modern communication methods available, that encoding in Unicode will take longer than six months.

Re: Writing a proposal for an unusual script: SignWriting

OK, I wasn't going to weigh in here, but... On 6/14/2010 1:18 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: Here, the question is more a matter of given that SignWriting is nifty, does it qualify as plain text? Or even Does the way SignWriting does its thing map well to the way Unicode does things? After

Unicode 6.0 beta code charts - updated today

Hi everyone, The Unicode 6.0 beta has been out for a while. Today I just posted an entirely new set today, and this *should* take care of all known chart bugs. But we could use more eyes! Please see: http://www.unicode.org/Public/6.0.0/charts/ and the beta page:

Re: Hexadecimal digits

On 6/5/2010 10:42 AM, Doug Ewell wrote, responding to Luke-jr: Draft characters would be ones which are not final and can be removed or replaced in the future, if they don't in the meantime gain popularity within some reasonable timeframe. There is no precedent for this in either Unicode or

Re: Hexadecimal digits

Luke-jr wrote, Hexadecimal/tonal will never be popularised as long as it can be confused with letters... and But I'm not talking about programming languages, just common everyday uses by people who have it as their primary (not secondary) system of numbers. Hexadecimal already is

Re: Greek letter LAMDA?

For further info on names, see also http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn27/ Yep. Known inconsistency -- but this is not considered an error. --Ken

New Public Review Issue posted

comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

New Public Review Issue posted

). Please be aware that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Unicode Version 4.1.0 Beta Release

mail list are not automatically recorded as beta comments. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for official consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Re: Nicest UTF.. UTF-9, UTF-36, UTF-80, UTF-64, ...

Yes, and pigs could fly, if they had big enough wings. An 8-foot wingspan should do it. For picture of said flying pig see: http://www.cincinnati.com/bigpiggig/profile_091700.html http://www.cincinnati.com/bigpiggig/images/pig091700.jpg Rick

Public Review Issues updated

Characters Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

New Public Review Issue

comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Re: Font selection, font downloads, and (writing system) scripts

Fantasai wrote, This discussion belongs on www-style, so setting Reply-To to there. And if you're going to do that then, as a matter of etiquette, please don't CC the Unicode list. When you CC the Unicode list and some other list, people on the other list may try to reply all and include

Public Review Issues update - UAX #14

consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Announcement: CLDR 1.2 Released

or defect reports for CLDR 1.3 must be submitted by then. Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Public Review Issues update

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Public Review Issues Update

. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Public Review Issues Update

. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Public Review Issues Update

that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Public Review Issues Update

(if necessary). Please be aware that discussion comments on the Unicode mail list are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan

Public Review Issues Update (correction)

to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Two new tech notes posted

Two new Unicode Technical Notes have been posted. They are numbers 17 and 18, indexed here: http://www.unicode.org/notes/index.html The new notes by P. Chellappan detail the conversion of two prevalent encodings for Tamil into Unicode. Details about tech notes in general may be

CLDR 1.2 Alpha now available

The Unicode Consortium is pleased to announce that the alpha version of the Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR) 1.2 is available for public review. The contents include: SPECIFICATION * Updated Locale Data Markup Language (LDML) specification (UTS #35 draft), and updated DTD. * Added

Public Review Issues Update

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Re: Problem with accented characters

Philippe wrote: Actually, it was based on decompositions in Unicode 2.01. There is no such version. Perhaps you meant another version? Rick

New mail list for African script issues

The list [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a new public forum for discussion of African scripts -- specifically technical issues and proposals -- including native scripts and imported scripts (e.g., Latin-based orthographies for African languages). Please note that it is not a general discussion list.

Public Review Issues Update - UTS #31 Draft

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Re: I didn't send the virus

Doug wrote... This didn't come from me. Indeed, it didn't come from Doug. And it has been removed from the archives as well. FYI... We have some software in place on Unicode.ORG to assist with filtering of attachments. However, we pass through .zip files because many of us who work with

Public Review Issues Update

are not automatically recorded as input to the UTC. You must use the reporting link above to generate comments for UTC consideration. http://www.unicode.org/consortium/distlist.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Unicode Technical Report #23 Published

://www.unicode.org/reports/tr23/ Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Announcement: Unicode Technical Note #15

by the Unicode Consortium in any way. For more information see http://www.unicode.org/notes/about-notes.html Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Re: Greek tonos and oxia

See also the FAQ on Greek: http://www.unicode.org/faq/greek.html

APL mapping tables

Does anyone know of a mapping table from APL character set to Unicode? I'm looking for something that maps APL to Unicode numerically, in a format similar to the various mapping tables on the Unicode site. Thanks, Rick

Re: Bob Bemer, father of ASCII, has died

A 95 byte salute to Bob Bemer: [EMAIL PROTECTED]'()*+,-./ 0123456789:;=? @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ `abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ Rick

Re: lines 05-08, version 4.7 of Roadmap to BMP and 'Hebrew extensions'

Elaine asked... Questions about Roadmap to BMP--- 1) from Hebrew in line 05 to end of line 08, are these *all* right-to-left languages? Not right now. However, Tifinagh was just accepted by UTC and WG2, and has been moved out of that slot, so that line 08 *will* be all right to left, and

Re: lines 05-08, version 4.7 of Roadmap to BMP and 'Hebrew extensions'

Elaine, Copying part of Rick's answer back to list, didn't seem private. Yes, it was indeed CCed to the list. This is also CCed to the list. How many code points are there in the Roadmap's line 08?---I still don't understand hex well enough to compute You need to look at Unicode 4.0

Public Review Issues Updated

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Re: Response to a Proposal to Encode Phoenician in Unicode

Dean, et al, Can we stop with the cross posting here? This is just my opinion, but conversations cross-posted to several lists end up with some people not being able to read the responses posted elsewhere (for lists they aren't on), or being frustrated to post undeliverable replies (for

New versions of the Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR 1.1)

for 247 locales, covering 78 languages and 118 countries. There are also 36 draft locales in the process of being developed, covering an additional 17 languages and 7 countries. For more information, see http://news.google.com/news?q=CLDR Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Re: Updated Phoenician proposal: confidential?

Peter Kirk wrote... ... I suppose he didn't want to put his proposal at risk by describing how the user community was, at least in part, opposed to the proposal. That imputes to him a motive that I doubt he had. My impression is that Michael didn't know there would be such violent opposition,

Re: Updated Phoenician proposal: confidential?

Peter Kirk wrote.. You, Rick, also replied on 22 December 2003 to the same posting of mine, so you can't claim to be ignorant of this discussion. You wrote: You can't just call for a review and expect anything to happen. Please dcument your opinions and document some facts. If you have a

Re: Updated Phoenician proposal: confidential?

Peter Kirk wrote... I understand that a revised version of Final proposal for encoding the Phoenician script [WG2-N2746R] has been submitted to the UTC and included in the official document register. Posted Friday night, yes. I insisted on receiving it, and I postponed my Friday evening

ISO 15924 beta period is now over

There is a selection box on the form for ISO 15924 issue or comment. The standard and related documents, including a request form for additions and changes, are available here: http://www.unicode.org/iso15924/ Regards, Rick McGowan Unicode, Inc.

Re: Updated Phoenician proposal: confidential?

I will make a statement for the UTC record, but it will not be as brief as you seem to expect. Hmmm. You apparently misunderstood my intent. I said brief statement merely intending to save you trouble if you don't have time or inclination to make a long statement. You are of course welcome

Re: Glyph Stance

Bob Richmond discussed... Recap. Michaels 'n1944' proposal for Egyptian Hieroglyphs in Unicode (1999) Just FYI, the control codes were a rather controversial feature of that proposal. It would also be worth surveying (again) the use of controls in existing Egyptian implementations. I

Re: PH technical issues

D. Starner wrote: Shouldnt the encoding be geared towards those who use it the most? Who use *what* the most? So far, all the people who actually use this script on a day to day basis who have actually spoken up have been in favor of unification. By this script presumably you mean

Re: Why Fraktur is irrelevant (was RE: Fraktur Legibility (was Re:Response to Everson Phoenician)

Personally speaking, at this juncture, I usually yawn and hit the delete button when I see the word Phoenician on this list. The discussion has gone way past any sane argument. However, Peter Kirk asked a question to which I have a response. ... we need to ask a more general question:

New Public Review Issue posted

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Re: Proposal to encode dominoes and other game symbols

Ken wrote... P.S. Regarding the dominoes per se, I'm coming down on the side of those arguing (as John Cowan has) that the *orientation* of the bones is not significant in the plain text usages. The *characters* to encode here should be for each distinct bone, regardless of orientation.

Re: ISO 15924

Use of #x200B; is perfectly appropriate to allow line breaks. What is not yet being done is to *disallow* line breaks in the dates; that is a mistake, since IE will break in dates and numbers, e.g. the number - 3. Yes, but... In this particular set of files, no matter *HOW* narrow I made

Response to Everson Phoenician and why June 7?

Elaine asked: Why did Debbie suggest June 7 as a the latest date for responses? Probably because that is the deadline for documents to be submitted for consideration at the upcoming UTC meeting. The issue will be discussed there, so anyone who wants to get their input into that meeting

Subject lines that have nothing to do with message content

Personally speaking, I would have expected that a recent message on this list with the sujbect line Katakana_Or_Hiragana might have something to do with Japanese, Hiragana, Katakana, or at least Han, or perhaps even Asia. But no... It was about Phoenician. It would be really helpful if

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