On Wednesday 11 August 2010, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote:
Maybe (though I don't personally believe so) the concept of plain text has
become so passé that William's variation selectors for swash e's, and
additional ligatures, and weather reporting codes, and Portable Interpretable
...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf
Of William_J_G Overington
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:41 AM
To: Unicode Mailing List
Cc: wjgo_10...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text
Earlier this morning I tried writing a poem intended to use
Thank you for taking the time to produce the pdf and thank you also for sharing
the result.
I had not known of the Gabriola font previously.
I found the following page on the web.
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=372
Best regards
William Overington
12 August
; Unicode Mailing List
Subject: RE: Accessing alternate glyphs from plain text
See the attached PDF showing Unicode 5.2 text set in Word 2010 using the
Gabriola font with line-ending characters formatted with the Stylistic Set 7
OpenType Feature. No PUA; no variation selectors. Just flourishing
On Thursday 12 August 2010, Peter Constable peter...@microsoft.com wrote:
Someone contacted me offline
expressing their disappointment at missing ligatures. These
are turned off by default in Office 2010 to avoid
compatibility issues when viewing documents created on
earlier versions. I've
You seem to be missing a couple of important points here which Peter is
illustrating.
First of all, what you want to do can be done with existing technology.
There's no need to add variation selectors or other mechanisms to achieve your
goal.
Secondly, fonts are themselves works of art, and
On Aug 11, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Doug Ewell wrote:
But to imply that because text always has a specific appearance, determining
the underlying plain text is an artificial process that was imposed on us by
computers seems wrong. We (meaning readers of alphabetic scripts, at least
Latin and
Thank you for replying.
On Saturday, 7 August 2010, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote:
I think the alternate ending glyph is supposed to be
specified in more detail than that. The example Asmus
gave was U+222A UNION with serifs. Even though the exact
proportions of the serifs may differ
Jukka K. Korpela jkorpela at cs dot tut dot fi wrote:
Human writing did not originate as plain text, and at the surface
level, it is never plain text: it always has some specific physical
appearance, and abstract plain text can only be found below the
surface, as the underlying data format
On Aug 7, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Doug Ewell wrote:
I'd like to see an FAQ page on What is Plain Text? written primarily by UTC
officers. That might go a long way toward resolving the differences between
William's interpretation of what plain text is, which people like me think is
too broad,
John H. Jenkins wrote:
The basic idea is that plain text is the minimum amount of
information to process the given language in a normal way.
That's a bit vague. We don't normally process languages; we read texts.
Whether font or color variation is essential for understanding really
depends
Thank you for replying.
On Friday 6 August 2010, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
What you mean are artistic or stylistic variants.
These have certain problems, see here for an explanation:
http://www.unicode.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=221#p221
A./
I have read and
Thank you for replying.
On Friday 6 August 2010, John H. Jenkins jenk...@apple.com wrote:
This is another case of a solution in search of a problem.
No, the problem is that one cannot at present, as far as I know, access
alternate glyphs of an advanced format font from a plain text file.
William_J_G Overington wjgo underscore 10009 at btinternet dot com
wrote:
I cannot understand from that text, or otherwise at the time of
writing this reply, why it would not be possible to have an alternate
ending glyph for a letter e accessible from plain text using an
advanced font
On Thursday, 5 August 2010, Kenneth Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote:
I am thinking of where a poet might specify an ending version of a glyph at
the end of the last word on some lines, yet not on others, for poetic
effect. I think that it would be good if one could specify that in plain
On 8/6/2010 2:03 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote:
On Thursday, 5 August 2010, Kenneth Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote:
I am thinking of where a poet might specify an ending version of a glyph at the
end of the last word on some lines, yet not on others, for poetic effect. I
think that it
On Aug 6, 2010, at 3:03 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote:
The standards organizations have a great opportunity to advance typography by
defining some of the Latin letter plus variation selector pairs so that
alternate glyphs within a font may be accessed directly from plain text.
This is
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