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Subject: [lg policy] Endangered Alphabets
Sent: Aug 5, 2011 09:41
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Dear ladies and gents,
I suspect--and hope--that you may be interested in my
The SEI goal is for encoding old scripts, not much about preserving
their artistic shapes. I think that the Endangered Alphabets Project
is focusing on preserving the artistic typography of old scripts (but
not only old scripts, this also concerns modern scripts whise
evolution is oversimplifying
Chris,
How does this differ from what the Script Encoding Initiative
http://linguistics.berkeley.edu/sei/ is already trying to do?
It is an art project, not a script encoding project. The artist is
seeking financial support for finishing a massive woodworking project
with accompanying
I'd like to invite everyone to support this worthwhile project:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1496420787/the-endangered-alphabets-project/
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Sinnathurai Srivas
On 19 August 2011 10:55, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote:
I'd like to invite everyone to support this worthwhile project:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1496420787/the-endangered-alphabets-project/
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 08/19/2011 04:43 PM, srivas sinnathurai wrote:
All those in favour of creating code pages, please say yes, and others
please say why not.
Sinnathurai, 7000 code pages are not enough. To replace Unicode, you
should create at least 65536 code pages, because Unicode is represented
in UTF-16
; unicore UnicoRe Discussion
Subject: Re: Endangered Alphabets
This is about time we allocate a significant space withi the Unicode code space
to work in the old fashion code page provisioning mode.
I'm not calling for any change to existing major aloocations. However, this is
about time we allocate
| @DougEwell
*From:* srivas sinnathurai sisri...@blueyonder.co.uk
*Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 5:13
*To:* Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com
*Cc:* unicode Unicode Discussion unicode@unicode.org ; unicore UnicoRe
Discussion unic...@unicode.org
*Subject:* Re: Endangered Alphabets
srivas sinnathurai sisrivas at blueyonder dot co dot uk wrote:
PUA is not structured
It's not supposed to be. It's a private-use area. You use it the way
you see fit.
and not officially programmable to accommodate
numerous code pages.
None of Unicode is designed around code-page
On 08/19/2011 08:14 PM, William_J_G Overington wrote:
I am wondering if the following idea would be of any usefulness
towards solving the problem without needing any code point
allocations in Unicode.
Pardon me for not understanding if I entirely missed your point, but why
can't these
I am wondering if the following idea would be of any usefulness towards solving
the problem without needing any code point allocations in Unicode.
Suppose that a concept of an Endangered Language Code Page is invented.
Suppose that the letter sequence ELCP is used to designate an endangered
Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA | RFC 5645, 4645, UTN #14
www.ewellic.org | www.facebook.com/doug.ewell | @DougEwell
From: srivas sinnathurai
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 5:13
To: Michael Everson
Cc: unicode Unicode Discussion ; unicore UnicoRe Discussion
Subject: Re: Endangered Alphabets
Doug,
First of all flat code space is the primary functionality of Unicode and not
calling for any changes to existing encodings.
What I propose is assign about 16,000 codes to code-page switching model.
Why this suggestion?
With current flat space, one code point is only allocated to one and
, 2011 5:13
*To:* Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com
*Cc:* unicode Unicode Discussion unicode@unicode.org ; unicore UnicoRe
Discussion unic...@unicode.org
*Subject:* Re: Endangered Alphabets
This is about time we allocate a significant space withi the Unicode
code space to work in the old
srivas sinnathurai sisrivas at blueyonder dot co dot uk wrote:
Why this suggestion?
With current flat space, one code point is only allocated to one and
only one purpose.
We can run out of code space soon.
Argument over. There are not 800,000 more characters that need to be
encoded for
suppose that fifteen to twenty million Khmers are going to
abandon their native language, or cease to write it, or switch en masse
to Latin script? Yet he lists it as one of the Endangered Alphabets
at http://www.endangeredalphabets.com .
# Writing has become so dominated by a small number
William_J_G Overington wjgo underscore 10009 at btinternet dot com
wrote:
Suppose that a concept of an Endangered Language Code Page is invented.
The original Endangered Alphabets subject line was hijacked, almost
immediately, into a thread about defining code pages within the Unicode
srivas sinnathurai 於 2011年8月19日 上午9:40 寫道：
Why this suggestion?
With current flat space, one code point is only allocated to one and only one
purpose.
We can run out of code space soon.
There are a couple of problems here.
We currently have over 860,000 unassigned code points. Surveys
On 19 Aug 2011, at 18:24, John H. Jenkins wrote:
We currently have over 860,000 unassigned code points. Surveys of all known
writing systems indicate that only a small fraction of these will be needed.
Indeed, although it looks likely that Han will spill out of the SIP into
plane 3, all
On Friday 19 August 2011, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote:
William_J_G Overington wjgo
underscore 10009 at btinternet dot com
wrote:
Suppose that a concept of an Endangered Language Code
Page is invented.
The original Endangered Alphabets subject line was hijacked, almost
On 08/19/2011 01:24 PM, John H. Jenkins wrote:
In order to get the UTC and WG2 to agree to a major architectural
change such as you're suggesting, you'd have to have some very solid
evidence that it's needed—not an interesting idea, not potentially
useful, but seriously *needed*. That's how
Mark E. Shoulson mark at kli dot org wrote:
And indeed, it went the other way too, back when ISO-10646 had not 17,
but 65536 *planes* and someone provided some reasonable evidence (or
just plain reasoned arguments) that 4.3 *billion* characters was
probably overkill.
Technically, I think
20.8.2011 0:07, Doug Ewell wrote:
Of course, 2.1 billion characters is also overkill, but the advent of
UTF-16 was how we ended up with 17 planes.
And now we think that a little over a million is enough for everyone,
just as they thought in the late 1980s that 16 bits is enough for everyone.
On 08/19/2011 05:07 PM, Doug Ewell wrote:
Mark E. Shoulsonmark at kli dot org wrote:
And indeed, it went the other way too, back when ISO-10646 had not 17,
but 65536 *planes* and someone provided some reasonable evidence (or
just plain reasoned arguments) that 4.3 *billion* characters was
Jukka K. Korpela jkorpela at cs dot tut dot fi wrote:
And now we think that a little over a million is enough for everyone,
just as they thought in the late 1980s that 16 bits is enough for
everyone.
I know this is an enjoyable exercise — people love to ridicule Bill
Gates for his comment in
On 8/19/2011 2:07 PM, Doug Ewell wrote:
Technically, I think 10646 was always limited to 32,768 planes so that
one could always address a code point with a 32-bit signed integer (a
nod to the Java fans).
Well, yes, but it didn't really have anything to do with Java. Remember
that Java
wasn't
On 8/19/2011 2:35 PM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
20.8.2011 0:07, Doug Ewell wrote:
Of course, 2.1 billion characters is also overkill, but the advent of
UTF-16 was how we ended up with 17 planes.
And now we think that a little over a million is enough for everyone,
just as they thought in the
On 8/19/2011 3:24 PM, Ken Whistler wrote:
On 8/19/2011 2:07 PM, Doug Ewell wrote:
Technically, I think 10646 was always limited to 32,768 planes so that
one could always address a code point with a 32-bit signed integer (a
nod to the Java fans).
Well, yes, but it didn't really have anything
, cc'd.)
Don
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