Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-28 Thread Karl Williamson
On 04/24/2014 01:56 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: |I strongly recommend you parse the derived properties rather than trying to |follow the derivation formula, because that can change over time. ..this file includes only those core properties that

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-28 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: |On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.comwrote: |So imho it's a bit like «Kraut und Rüben» («higgledy-piggledy» | sayy http://www.dict.cc/?s=Kraut+und+R%C3%BCben). | |Ich weiß was das bedeutet :-) hmmm, possibly a bit of

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-28 Thread Markus Scherer
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Mathias Bynens math...@qiwi.be wrote: My initial question can be rephrased as the following remark/change request: http://unicode.org/reports/tr31/#Default_Identifier_Syntax could make it more clear that “stability extensions” means `Other_ID_Start` and

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-28 Thread Mathias Bynens
On 23 Apr 2014, at 20:18, Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: I strongly recommend you parse the derived properties rather than trying to follow the derivation formula, because that can change over time. No argument there! My initial question can be rephrased as the following

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-28 Thread Mathias Bynens
On 26 Apr 2014, at 17:06, Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: I suggest you report it here: http://www.unicode.org/reporting.html Done. Thank you, Markus! ___ Unicode mailing list Unicode@unicode.org http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/unicode

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-28 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
On 25 April 2014 20:53, Karl Williamson pub...@khwilliamson.com wrote: And in fact in some Unicode releases, they contained errors. I think you know this, but for others. A derived property value in the UCD is defined by the value in the derived data file, NOT by the derivation.​ Of course,

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-25 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Hello, Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: |On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso sdaode\ |n...@yandex.comwrote: | Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: ||I strongly recommend you parse the derived properties rather than trying | to ||follow the derivation formula,

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-25 Thread Markus Scherer
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.comwrote: |What I tried to say is, if you need ID_Start, then parse ID_Start from |DerivedCoreProperties.txt. That's more stable (and easier than parsing the |pieces and deriving | |# Lu + Ll + Lt + Lm + Lo + Nl |#

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-24 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: |I strongly recommend you parse the derived properties rather than trying to |follow the derivation formula, because that can change over time. ..this file includes only those core properties that have themselves a derivation-may-change property? (I

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-24 Thread Markus Scherer
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.comwrote: Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: |I strongly recommend you parse the derived properties rather than trying to |follow the derivation formula, because that can change over time. ..this file includes only

ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-23 Thread Mathias Bynens
http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr31/#Default_Identifier_Syntax defines ID_Start as: Characters having the Unicode General_Category of uppercase letters (Lu), lowercase letters (Ll), titlecase letters (Lt), modifier letters (Lm), other letters (Lo), letter numbers (Nl), minus Pattern_Syntax

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-23 Thread Mathias Bynens
On 23 Apr 2014, at 19:18, Mathias Bynens math...@qiwi.be wrote: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr31/#Default_Identifier_Syntax defines ID_Start as: Characters having the Unicode General_Category of uppercase letters (Lu), lowercase letters (Ll), titlecase letters (Lt), modifier letters

RE: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-23 Thread Whistler, Ken
Mathias, What are the “stability extensions” this document refers to? Here are the code points that match the respective property according to `DerivedCoreProperties.txt`, yet don’t match these properties if you’re adding/removing the categories manually based on the property definition in

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-23 Thread Mathias Bynens
On 23 Apr 2014, at 19:48, Whistler, Ken ken.whist...@sap.com wrote: See the listings for Other_ID_Start and Other_ID_Continue in PropList.txt. Those are your stability extensions for the derivation of the identifier-related derived properties. This answered all my questions :) Thanks!

Re: ID_Start, ID_Continue, and stability extensions

2014-04-23 Thread Markus Scherer
I strongly recommend you parse the derived properties rather than trying to follow the derivation formula, because that can change over time. markus ___ Unicode mailing list Unicode@unicode.org http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/unicode