Re: Global apostrophe solution? (Part of: A new take on the English apostrophe in Unicode; Keyman Developer for free?; Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-23 Thread Marcel Schneider
As I donʼt know if the apostrophe issue** has been satisfactorily resolved, Iʼd like to briefly check that up, making a few statements to agree or not to agree with: 1 - We are all allowed to use U+02BC for the English apostrophe.  U+2019 is only a de facto preference, mainly with respect to

Global apostrophe solution? (Part of: A new take on the English apostrophe in Unicode; Keyman Developer for free?; Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-22 Thread Marcel Schneider
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote: More seriously, it is not all so black and white. This applies to apostrophe recommendations too. The thread about the English apostrophe was biased because it (I) ended up discussing Unicodeʼs general apostrophe recommendation, while

Re: Plain text custom fraction input (Part of: Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-21 Thread Marcel Schneider
Entering fractions in plain text is consistent with the very core of Unicodeʼs purpose, which (please check if Iʼm right) is to empower all people on earth to get in readable plain text as much information as possible.  As fractions, that ISO wanted to stay called “vulgar”, are part of this

RE: Keyman Developer for free? (was: Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-19 Thread Marc Durdin
From: Marcel Schneider [mailto:charupd...@orange.fr] Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2015 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Keyman Developer for free? (was: Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode) 1. Does Keyman allow to place a Kana toggle? This feature available at least on Windows is useful for locales like

RE: Keyman Developer for free? (was: Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-19 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 19 Jul 2015, 08:17, Marc Durdin wrote: 1. Does Keyman allow to place a Kana toggle?   Yes. See http://help.keyman.com/developer/9.0/docs/guide/guide_lang_options.php for one way to implement this. [...] The help site for Keyman has a stack of documentation and examples and is the

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-19 Thread gfb hjjhjh
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On-screen keyboards (was: Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-19 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 18 Jul 2015, at 16:44, I wrote: You might wish also to use the Windows on-screen keyboard which allows to see what's exactly on each key while typing on whatever physical keyboard, without any need to have the keycap labels match the layout. This on-screen keyboard is built-in, only it

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-19 Thread Marcel Schneider
: Objet : Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode forget to add Unicode maillist to reply address in my previous mail...add back and resend -- 轉寄的郵件 -- 寄件者:gfb hjjhjh 日期:2015年7月19日 上午9:38 主旨:Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode 收件者:Marcel Schneider 副本: the input

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-18 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:33:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr Cc: UnicodeMailingList unicode@unicode.org FWIW, I do that a lot, because the number of convenient input methods in Emacs far outnumbers what I have on MS-Windows. For example, if I have to type

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-18 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 16 Jul 2015, at 23:59:24 +0100, Eli Zaretskii wrote: wrote: FWIW, I do that a lot, because the number of convenient input methods in Emacs far outnumbers what I have on MS-Windows. For example, if I have to type Russian with no Russian keyboard available, the cyrillic-translit input

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-18 Thread Janusz S. Bien
Quote/Cytat - Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr (Sat 18 Jul 2015 04:33:23 PM CEST): On 16 Jul 2015, at 23:59:24 +0100, Eli Zaretskii wrote: wrote: FWIW, I do that a lot, because the number of convenient input methods in Emacs far outnumbers what I have on MS-Windows. For example, if I

Re: Keyman Developer for free? (was: Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-18 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 18 Jul 2015, at 00:55:27, Marc Durdin wrote: http://tavultesoft.com/beta has the free download of Developer 9. The beta has the license key requirement but you can obtain a free perpetual license key on that page as well. While Keyman Developer 9 is version still in beta, it is stable

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-18 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 18 Jul 2015, at 16:58, Janusz S. Bien wrote: cyrillic-translit and most other Emacs input methods are more convenient than on-screen keyboard, especially if you don't like to use mouse and your goal is to get the text into Emacs :-) The OSK while working by mouse click too, does not

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-18 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 18 Jul 2015, at 17:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:33:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Marcel Schneider You might wish also to use the Windows on-screen keyboard which allows to see what's exactly on each key while typing on whatever physical keyboard, without any

Re: Keyman Developer for free? (was: Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-18 Thread Doug Ewell
Marc Durdin wrote: http://tavultesoft.com/beta has the free download of Developer 9. The beta has the license key requirement but you can obtain a free perpetual license key on that page as well. Thanks for the additional link. I'll try this. -- Doug Ewell | http://ewellic.org | Thornton, CO

Keyman Developer for free? (was: Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-17 Thread Doug Ewell
Marc Durdin marc at keyman dot com wrote: On Windows, you can always use Keyman and Keyman Developer to create very flexible input methods that work across pretty much any app, FWIW. Both of these are available free these days at least in basic editions (www.keyman.com/desktop and

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-17 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 30 Jun 2015, at 23:28, Doug Ewell wrote: This works on the built-in Notepad as well as Notepad++ and BabelPad Notepad++ is great software. It supports Kana shift states and all of Unicode, I infere from what I've tested. The bit on process garbage found on the homepage might target other

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-17 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 05:41:11 +0200 Janusz S. Bien jsb...@mimuw.edu.pl wrote: Quote/Cytat - Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com (Fri 17 Jul 2015 12:59:24 AM CEST): Perhaps I'm missing a trick. My conception was that to use an Emacs keyboard for, say, word processor input, one

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-17 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 23:59:24 +0100 From: Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:33:34 +0300 Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org wrote: One needs a good UTF-8 text editor as well. Emacs is one possibility, of course. If you're prepared to cut and

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-17 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 30 Jun 2015, at 23:28, Doug Ewell wrote: This works on the built-in Notepad as well as Notepad++ and BabelPad Notepad++ is great software. It supports Kana shift states and all of Unicode, I infere from what I've tested. The bit on process garbage found on the homepage might target other

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-17 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 16 Jul 2015, at 18:22, Hans Aberg wrote: One needs a good UTF-8 text editor as well. ConTEXT displays UTF-8 in the status bar. I'm pretty confident that it has the potential of becoming the world's best text editor. It's not yet 1.0, still 0.98.6, and many users are already enthusiastic.

Re: Keyman Developer for free? (was: Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode)

2015-07-17 Thread Marc Durdin
On 18 Jul 2015, at 12:32 am, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Marc Durdin marc at keyman dot com wrote: On Windows, you can always use Keyman and Keyman Developer to create very flexible input methods that work across pretty much any app, FWIW. Both of these are available free these

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Marcel Schneider
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015, at 20:54, Hans Aberg wrote: So for a Cherokee keyboard, as discussed in the video, one would need different images on the keys if one bothers, and a key map. One problem here is [...] that it is very time consuming to design such key maps.  On Wen, Jul 15, 2015, at

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 16 Jul 2015, at 10:35, Hans Aberg wrote: One still has to figure out a good map. Using Unicode helps the readability of the input file, though. One can use for example ConTeXt with LuaLaTeX, which comes with the TeX live installation. Thank you very much for these hints, I'll try to

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 16 Jul 2015, at 11:30, I wrote: the compiler admits clear characters only up to U+008F. Up to U+007E, of course. On 16 Jul 2015, at 10:35, Hans Aberg wrote: One still has to figure out a good map. Yes this is the primary issue for every newly encoded script, and it remains important

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Hans Aberg
On 16 Jul 2015, at 11:21, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote: On 16 Jul 2015, at 10:35, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: Using Unicode helps the readability of the input file, though. One can use for example ConTeXt with LuaLaTeX, which comes with the TeX live

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Hans Aberg
On 16 Jul 2015, at 10:29, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2015, at 20:54, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: On 15 Jul 2015, at 11:06, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote: Editing keyboard layouts is a job anybody can tackle who is willing to

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Hans Aberg
On 16 Jul 2015, at 11:53, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote: On 16 Jul 2015, at 10:35, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: One still has to figure out a good map. Yes this is the primary issue for every newly encoded script, and it remains important with respect to

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Hans Aberg
On 16 Jul 2015, at 13:13, William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: I do not know if it is of interest, but some time ago I produced some pdf files that can each be used as a typecase so as to copy a character from the pdf, then paste into a Unicode-aware wordprocessor or

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 16 Jul 2015, at 13:21, Hans Aberg wrote: On 16 Jul 2015, at 11:21, Marcel Schneider wrote: Now I've just downloaded the two versions of ConTEXT, which might well be the enhanced text editor I'm looking for since a while. LuaLaTeX will be very interesting too if I can edit source

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread William_J_G Overington
Hi I do not know if it is of interest, but some time ago I produced some pdf files that can each be used as a typecase so as to copy a character from the pdf, then paste into a Unicode-aware wordprocessor or desktop publishing program and then formatted to the desired font and font size. The

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Hans Aberg
On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:44, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote: On 16 Jul 2015, at 13:21, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: Knowing nothing about, I mixed up ConTeXt you referred to, and ConTEXT, and ended up downloading and istalling a new text editor. At least, this time,

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
From: Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:21:59 +0200 Cc: Unicode Mailing List unicode@unicode.org One needs a good UTF-8 text editor as well. Emacs is one possibility, of course.

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Hans Aberg
On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:44, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote: On 16 Jul 2015, at 15:20, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: It may suffice with a logical layout, letters in alphabetical order. The traditional layouts were designed for speed typing on physical typing

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Hans Aberg
On 16 Jul 2015, at 18:33, Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org wrote: From: Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:21:59 +0200 Cc: Unicode Mailing List unicode@unicode.org One needs a good UTF-8 text editor as well. Emacs is one possibility, of course. And on OS X, Xcode has a

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Marcel Schneider
On 16 Jul 2015, at 13:12, William_J_G Overington wrote: Hi I do not know if it is of interest, but some time ago I produced some pdf files that can each be used as a typecase so as to copy a character from the pdf, then paste into a Unicode-aware wordprocessor or desktop publishing

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Janusz S. Bien
Quote/Cytat - Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com (Fri 17 Jul 2015 12:59:24 AM CEST): On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:33:34 +0300 Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org wrote: One needs a good UTF-8 text editor as well. Emacs is one possibility, of course. If you're prepared to cut and

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-16 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:33:34 +0300 Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org wrote: One needs a good UTF-8 text editor as well. Emacs is one possibility, of course. If you're prepared to cut and paste, it's easy to extend it own keyboards. (Creating the first one was a bit stressful - the ones that come

Input methods at the age of Unicode (was: a mug)

2015-07-15 Thread Marcel Schneider
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015, at 20:54, Hans Aberg wrote: On 11 Jul 2015, at 18:36, Johannes Bergerhausen wrote: As I said at TEDx in Vienna: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRdupNXpm8k] The keyboards for different languages are essentially the same nowadays: it sends a code indicating which

Re: Input methods at the age of Unicode

2015-07-15 Thread Hans Aberg
On 15 Jul 2015, at 11:06, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote: Editing keyboard layouts is a job anybody can tackle who is willing to spend some time for a useful work (as opposed to a set of leisures like gaming, chasing and the like). In mathematics, there are a couple of