On Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:21 PM, John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
A good choice if you don't slash your DIGIT SEVENs and can make
your DIGIT ONEs sufficiently distinct.
Eh? I *do* slash my DIGITs SEVEN and I use a single vertical stroke
from my
Jim Allan scripsit:
What this doesn't indicate is that sometimes in medieval text the
ampersand ligature is used to spell _et_ as part of a longer word.
Not just mediaeval text; c. for etc. (= et cetera) was common
right through the 19th century if not later.
--
John Cowan [EMAIL
Jim Allan scripsit:
See http://www.adobe.com/type/topics/theampersand.html for a short
history of the ampersand and some of its variations in modern computer
fonts.
Unfortunately the explanation of the name ampersand given there
is exactly backwards: it is not per se and, but and per se .
At 01:21 -0400 2003-07-13, John Cowan wrote:
I hand-write by making a tall lower-case epsilon glyph and then drawing
a solidus over it.
I just use the TIRONIAN SIGN ET.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
John == John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Not just mediaeval text; c. for etc. (= et cetera) was
John common right through the 19th century if not later.
And picked up steam again online in the 1980s; groups.google.com
should have lots of examples of c.
-JimC
Michael Everson scripsit:
I hand-write by making a tall lower-case epsilon glyph and then drawing
a solidus over it.
I just use the TIRONIAN SIGN ET.
A good choice if you don't slash your DIGIT SEVENs and can make your
DIGIT ONEs sufficiently distinct.
--
Dream projects long deferred
John Cowan posted:
Not just mediaeval text; c. for etc. (= et cetera) was common
right through the 19th century if not later.
The combination _c_ is still used. Search for c in
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/consultations/environment/tacnh-00.asp for
example.
But in mentioning medieval use I was
At 14:09 -0400 2003-07-13, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
I hand-write by making a tall lower-case epsilon glyph and then drawing
a solidus over it.
I just use the TIRONIAN SIGN ET.
A good choice if you don't slash your DIGIT SEVENs and can make your
DIGIT ONEs sufficiently
Michael Everson scripsit:
A good choice if you don't slash your DIGIT SEVENs and can make your
DIGIT ONEs sufficiently distinct.
Eh? I *do* slash my DIGITs SEVEN and I use a single vertical stroke
from my DIGITs ONE. The TIRONIAN SIGN ET as used in Ireland has no
horizontal stroke.
I
At 16:21 -0400 2003-07-13, John Cowan wrote:
I should have said do slash your DIGIT SEVENs. So the glyph in the
Unicode 3.0 book is not typical of Irish practice? It seems to have a
horizontal stroke all right.
It is utterly typical of Irish practice. I meant that it doesn't have
an additional
Philippe Verdy verdy_p at wanadoo dot fr wrote:
All this discussion shows that there is an extremely large number of
glyph variation for the ampersand which is both (at the abstract
level) a symbol character, and a ligature of two lowercase abstract
characters. But ligatures for the uppercase
On Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:59 PM, Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 2003.07.10, 20:34, John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IIRC, Portuguese traditional typography also avoids the fi-ligature,
even though the language has no dotless-i.
Just browsed some old book
Philippe Verdy posted:
In French typography, we also find the special ligatures for the French
(and Roman Latin) word et (means and), using old alternate forms for
the lowercase letter e, looking mostly like a Greek epsilon (or the Latin
Small Open E, still used in Tamazigh as a letter distinct
- Original Message -
From: Jim Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
See http://www.adobe.com/type/topics/theampersand.html for a short
history of the ampersand and some of its variations in modern computer
fonts.
Whole article (17 pages) about ampersand ligature in French (and other
languages)
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