Re: Names for control characters

2014-03-13 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
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Names for control characters (Was: (in 6429) in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Per Starbäck
a formal request about this. Regarding these names in ISO 6429 again, how come these control characters don't have Unicode names? For many uses of names, the control characters have as much need for them as any other character. Since it seems so straightforward it must have been suggested several

Re: Names for control characters (Was: (in 6429) in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Mark Davis ☕
other review comments.) Thanks! Then I'll skip making a formal request about this. Regarding these names in ISO 6429 again, how come these control characters don't have Unicode names? For many uses of names, the control characters have as much need for them as any other character. Since

Re: Names for control characters (Was: (in 6429) in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
From: starb...@stp.lingfil.uu.se (Per Starbäck) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 13:32:15 +0100 Cc: unicode@unicode.org unicode@unicode.org Regarding these names in ISO 6429 again, how come these control characters don't have Unicode names? They have a non-empty old name field:

RE: Names for control characters (Was: (in 6429) in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Whistler, Ken
with legacy status. See Interpretation of Field 1 of UnicodeData.txt in the section I cited above. As far as user interfaces and other applications needing names for Unicode control characters -- one of the reasons that the namespace for Unicode characters includes all of the formal name aliases

Re: Names for control characters (Was: (in 6429) in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
From: Whistler, Ken ken.whist...@sap.com Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 16:48:25 + Cc: Whistler, Ken ken.whist...@sap.com, unicode@unicode.org unicode@unicode.org Please be very careful here. Having a non-empty value in field 1 of UnicodeData.txt is *not* the same has having a Unicode

Re: Names for control characters

2014-03-12 Thread Per Starbäck
Ken Whistler wrote: Please be very careful here. Having a non-empty value in field 1 of UnicodeData.txt is *not* the same has having a Unicode name. See: http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.2.0/ch04.pdf#G135207 I know it's not a name. My question was *why* control characters don't

Re: Names for control characters

2014-03-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
From: starb...@stp.lingfil.uu.se (Per Starbäck) Cc: Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org, unicode\@unicode.org unicode@unicode.org Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 20:37:57 +0100 This is not about Emacs. Emacs was an example of a program that has use for character names, and has a harder job because of this

Re: Names for control characters

2014-03-12 Thread Markus Scherer
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Per Starbäck starb...@stp.lingfil.uu.sewrote: My question was *why* control characters don't *have* names That's because formally the ISO control codes do not have one fixed, normative meaning; implementers may or may not follow ISO 6429. That is why

RE: Names for control characters

2014-03-12 Thread Whistler, Ken
Per continued: I know it's not a name. My question was *why* control characters don't *have* names like CONTROL CHARACTER NULL CONTROL CHARACTER START OF HEADING CONTROL CHARACTER START OF TEXT etc. It would be so obvious to have it like that, so I assume there is some

RE: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters

2001-12-04 Thread Kent Karlsson
] Sent: den 4 december 2001 06:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters I am surprised and puzzled by the Unicode 1.0 Name changes for some of the ASCII and Latin-1 control characters that were introduced in the latest beta version of the Unicode 3.2

Re: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters

2001-12-04 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Doug wrote: I am surprised and puzzled by the Unicode 1.0 Name changes for some of the ASCII and Latin-1 control characters that were introduced in the latest beta version of the Unicode 3.2 data file (UnicodeData-3.2.0d5.txt): U+0009 HORIZONTAL TABULATION == CHARACTER TABULATION

Unicode 1.0 names for control characters

2001-12-03 Thread DougEwell2
I am surprised and puzzled by the Unicode 1.0 Name changes for some of the ASCII and Latin-1 control characters that were introduced in the latest beta version of the Unicode 3.2 data file (UnicodeData-3.2.0d5.txt): U+0009 HORIZONTAL TABULATION == CHARACTER TABULATION U+000B VERTICAL