Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:56:50 -0800, Leo Broukhis wrote: > This prompts a question: for case conversion bijectivity in fr_FR > locale, should there be "invisible accents"? E.g. > déjà -> DE(combining invisible acute accent)JA(combining invisible > grave accent) -> déjà > whereas in fr_CA

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

This prompts a question: for case conversion bijectivity in fr_FR locale, should there be "invisible accents"? E.g. déjà -> DE(combining invisible acute accent)JA(combining invisible grave accent) -> déjà whereas in fr_CA locale, it is simply déjà -> DÉJÀ -> déjà Leo On Wed, Dec 9,

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Hello Marc, On 2015/12/10 14:35, Marc Blanchet wrote: This is an interesting example of a phenomenon that turns up in many other contexts, too. A similar example is the use of accents on upper-case letters in French in France where 'officially', upper-case letters are written without accents.

Aw: Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Since the captial sharp s is easily available to the public, I see it popping up everywhere in German publications, mostly in an all caps environment. I have a small collection of it (on paper).   The use of the capital sharp s in German is not only a historical artefact, it is recent and

Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Am 10.12.2015 um 08:57 schrieb Jörg Knappen: > The use of the capital sharp s in German is not only a historical artefact, > it is recent and modern. some illustrations for that: https://www.facebook.com/versaleszett/?fref=ts Mit freundlichen Grüßen – Andreas

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Actually, MS Word offers an option to keep or drop accents when converting lower case to upper case in its spell checker options. I comprehend to the Turkish translation. They've got two different letter "i", one with and one without the dot ("ı"). But that's all not pointing to the direction

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:19:36 +0100, Hans Meiser wrote: After all, the "ß" is just a ligature of "ss" (or, to be precise: a ligature of "sz", originating from old German fonts - see hyperlink below), so I suggest the rendered outcome of the capital "ß" to be just the same:

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

After all, the "ß" is just a ligature of "ss" (or, to be precise: a ligature of "sz", originating from old German fonts - see hyperlink below), so I suggest the rendered outcome of the capital "ß" to be just the same: A ligature of two capital "S". Here's a hyperlink to an old German font

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Le 10/12/2015 05:32, Martin J. Dürst a écrit : A similar example is the use of accents on upper-case letters in French in France where 'officially', upper-case letters are written without accents. Actually, the official body in charge of this (Académie Française) has always recommended

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:45:22 +0100, Frédéric Grosshans wrote: >Le 10/12/2015 05:32, Martin J. Dürst a écrit : >> A similar example is the use of accents on upper-case letters in >> French in France where 'officially', upper-case letters are written >> without accents. We are welcome to look up

Re: Aw: Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Bing is pathetic. It treats the letter as if it didn't exist Google maps it to the lowercase, neither allows you to find sites that use just that character. A./

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-10 5:32 GMT+01:00 Martin J. Dürst : > This is an interesting example of a phenomenon that turns up in many other > contexts, too. A similar example is the use of accents on upper-case > letters in French in France where 'officially', upper-case letters are >

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 12/10/2015 2:45 AM, Frédéric Grosshans wrote: Le 10/12/2015 05:32, Martin J. Dürst a écrit : A similar example is the use of accents on upper-case letters in French in France where 'officially', upper-case letters are written without accents. Actually, the official body in charge of this

Re: Aw: Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 12/9/2015 11:57 PM, "Jörg Knappen" wrote: Since the captial sharp s is easily available to the public, I see it popping up everywhere in German publications, mostly in an all caps environment. I have a small

AW: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Betreff: Proposal for German capital letter "ß" Currently there is a vast problem trying to determine the lower case equivalent of a capitalized German word like "MASSE". This is due to the fact that an orthographic rule exists to convert lower case letter "ß"

Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Currently there is a vast problem trying to determine the lower case equivalent of a capitalized German word like "MASSE". This is due to the fact that an orthographic rule exists to convert lower case letter "ß" to upper case letters "SS". So after converting a word from lower case to upper

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

My proposal is to introduce a capital letter equivalent of "ß" that's resembling two capital "S" letters: "SS". Actually, the capital ß is already included in Unicode (ẞ) because it was and is used as a separate letter (not looking like SS), though only rarely. It is now realised as a proper

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 12/9/2015 9:52 AM, Gerrit Ansmann wrote: After the German spelling reform in 1996, "ß" then became a letter of its own, and words containing the letter "ß" are no longer equivalent to words containing an "ss" combination instead of

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 19:55:24 + Hans Meiser wrote: > I see. > > Yet, the u+1E9E doesn't quite look like two capital "S". So any > program implementing a conversion conforming to Unicode will > currently display/print in a wrong result: "MAßE" instead of the > correctly

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:55:24 +0100, Hans Meiser wrote: Yet, AFAIK, the current glyph would currently be considered an error. See it like this: The point of spelling rules is to easy reading. However, the use of SS for capital ß is rather obstrusive, as it is not exactly

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-09 22:45 GMT+01:00 Richard Wordingham < richard.wording...@ntlworld.com>: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 19:55:24 + > Hans Meiser wrote: > > > I see. > > > > Yet, the u+1E9E doesn't quite look like two capital "S". So any > > program implementing a conversion conforming to

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 9 Dec 2015, at 20:57, Gerrit Ansmann wrote: >> Proposal: Shouldn't the glyph be amended to match the natural language? > > Nothing of this is really natural. If you go by what most people do, you > would have to write FUßBALL. In my new edition of the first German

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 9 Dec 2015, at 22:57, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: > >> In my new edition of the first German translation of “Alice’s Adventures in >> Wonderland”, the editor and I made sure that the cakes said “Iẞ MICH!” and >> not “Iß MICH!”. :-) > > And the correct spelling

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 12/09/2015 06:49 PM, Hans Meiser wrote: Yes, they do it wrong because (1) they don't know better and (2) they let their software convert lower case text into upper case (a feature nearly every typographic software provides). Yet, if we let the majority of illiterate people decide what's

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 12/9/2015 3:49 PM, Hans Meiser wrote: Yes, they do it wrong because (1) they don't know better and (2) they let their software convert lower case text into upper case (a feature nearly every typographic software provides). Yet, if we let the majority of

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 12/9/2015 1:11 PM, Michael Everson wrote: On 9 Dec 2015, at 20:57, Gerrit Ansmann wrote: Proposal: Shouldn't the glyph be amended to match the natural language? Nothing of this is really

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Yes, they do it wrong because (1) they don't know better and (2) they let their software convert lower case text into upper case (a feature nearly every typographic software provides). Yet, if we let the majority of illiterate people decide what's right and what's wrong we could as easily

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 2015/12/10 09:30, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: I remember when we went through all this the first time around, encoding ẞ in the first place. People were saying "But the Duden says no!!!" And someone then pointed out, "Please close your Duden and cast your gaze upon ITS FRONT COVER, where you

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On 9 Dec 2015, at 23:32, Martin J. Dürst wrote: On 2015/12/10 09:30, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: I remember when we went through all this the first time around, encoding ẞ in the first place. People were saying "But the Duden says no!!!" And someone then pointed out, "Please close your Duden

Re: AW: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 06:16:35PM +0100, Frédéric Grosshans wrote: > * use your own casing rule and add a ZWNJ (zero width non joiner character) > such that ss↔SS and ß↔S+ZWNJ + S. Wouldn’t ZWJ be a more logical choice given that he wants to “join” both S’s into a single character. Regards,

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

Wednesday, December 9, 2015 4:59 PM To: Hans Meiser; unicode@unicode.org Subject: AW: Proposal for German capital letter "ß" Just have a look at U+1E9E LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S in the block Latin Extended Additional http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1E00.pdf Latin Extended Ad

Re: AW: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1E00.pdf Kind regards *Von:*Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] *Im Auftrag von *Hans Meiser *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2015 13:26 *An:* unicode@unicode.org *Betreff:* Proposal for German capital letter "ß" Currently there is a vast problem trying to