Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-05-01 Thread Andrew West
On 1 May 2012 03:48, suzuki toshiya mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: I wouldn't expect to see vertical modern standard Yi text in modern publications, other than perhaps newspapers. I got a scanned image of Liangshan Ribao (涼山日報), dated 2002/Mar/9, the vertical text is laid out without

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-05-01 Thread suzuki toshiya
Yes, I will post my feedback to UTR#50 (in the forum for PRI#207) within several hours... It's a pity that no discussion was posted to your feedback on April 4th... Regards, mpsuzuki Andrew West wrote: On 1 May 2012 03:48, suzuki toshiya mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: I wouldn't expect to

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-30 Thread suzuki toshiya
I wouldn't expect to see vertical modern standard Yi text in modern publications, other than perhaps newspapers. I got a scanned image of Liangshan Ribao (涼山日報), dated 2002/Mar/9, the vertical text is laid out without glyph rotation. Regards, mpsuzuki inline: LiangshanRibao-20020309.png

[FYI] horizontally typesetted Old Yi (Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?)

2012-04-06 Thread suzuki toshiya
In Index to Yi Texts preserved in National Library (ISBN 078-7-101-07415-4, Zhonghua Book Company) which has a list of titles of Yi texts, in both of Old Yi and Chinese. The Old Yi characters are digitally typesetted, although I feel its quality has not matured yet. The orientation of the glyphs

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-04 Thread Jeremie Hornus
On 4 Apr 2012, at 03:46, mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: Also if the people typesetting the book are familiar with Chinese but not with Yi, they might assume that these characters, which like ideographs also fit in fixed-size boxes, should behave the same as Chinese. This is a reasonable

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-04 Thread Andrew West
On 2 April 2012 07:20, fantasai fantasai.li...@inkedblade.net wrote: The question in my mind is, a) does the Yi community consider the Chinese style of typesetting vertical captions and suchlike to be the only correct way, or I don't think you can separate an Yi typographic tradition

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-04 Thread Andrew West
On 4 April 2012 00:53, fantasai fantasai.li...@inkedblade.net wrote: If the software is capable of both options, and the people managing the typesetting process are comfortably literate in Yi and familiar with its vertical habits in handwritten texts, then we can consider the results of their

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-03 Thread fantasai
On 04/02/2012 04:05 AM, mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: I appreciate your careful attitude considering the possibility that the found short vertical strings are formed under the influence of Chinese typography. So, for further discussion, we need an UCS Yi materials with vertical text that

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-03 Thread mpsuzuki
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:53:51 -0700 fantasai fantasai.li...@inkedblade.net wrote: On 04/02/2012 04:05 AM, mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: I appreciate your careful attitude considering the possibility that the found short vertical strings are formed under the influence of Chinese typography.

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-02 Thread fantasai
On 03/30/2012 01:12 PM, Andrew West wrote: I only have a couple of Old Yi books on my bookshelves, so I am no expert on the subject, but I think that in a way UCS Yi and modern Old Yi (Old Yi texts in modern publication) do share the same vertical writing preferences -- that is to say, in both

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-02 Thread mpsuzuki
On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:20:12 -0700 fantasai fantasai.li...@inkedblade.net wrote: On 03/30/2012 01:12 PM, Andrew West wrote: I only have a couple of Old Yi books on my bookshelves, so I am no expert on the subject, but I think that in a way UCS Yi and modern Old Yi (Old Yi texts in modern

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-04-02 Thread mpsuzuki
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:12:27 +0100 Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com wrote: This can be seen in the scans from the two modern editions of Old Yi texts from Guizhou below (ISBN 7-5412-0787-X and 7-5412-0659-8 respectively) where the book title is written horizontally on the front cover and

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-03-30 Thread Andrew West
On 29 March 2012 02:28, mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: My observation is only in imported bookstores in Japan, and some photos taken by the foreign visitors. I expected more living vertical texts of Yi may exist in China, but it might be too optimistic... I wouldn't expect to see

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-03-28 Thread mpsuzuki
more than titles on book spines and names of government offices written on gate pillars. However, I believe that these examples are sufficient to establish the vertical writing mode of the modern Yi script. My observation is that the standardized Liangshan Yi script that is encoded in Unicode

Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-03-27 Thread Andrew West
that these examples are sufficient to establish the vertical writing mode of the modern Yi script. My observation is that the standardized Liangshan Yi script that is encoded in Unicode is written vertically with no rotation of glyphs, in the same way that Chinese characters are written vertically