Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-29 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 20:55:39 -0500 "Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode" wrote: > On 1/28/19 2:31 AM, Mark Davis ☕️ via Unicode wrote: > > > > But the question is how important those are in daily life. I'm not > > sure why the double-click selection behavior is so much more of a > > problem for

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread Andrew West via Unicode
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 10:25, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: > > The overall tag proposal had the desired effect: The original proposal > to hijack some unused bytes in UTF-8 was defeated, and the tags itself > were not actually used and therefore could be depreciated. And the tag characters

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-29 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 21:10:19 -0500 "Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode" wrote: > On 1/28/19 3:58 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > > Interestingly, bringing this word breaker into line with TUS in the > > UK may well be in breach of the Equality Act 2010. > > > > Richard. > > OK, I've got

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-01-29 5:10 PM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: I thought we had established that someone had mentioned it on this list, at some time during the past three weeks. Can someone look up what post that was? I don't have time to go through scores of messages, and there is no search facility.

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Doug Ewell wrote, > I can't speak for Andrew, but I strongly suspect he implemented this as > a proof of concept, not to declare himself the Maker of Standards. BabelPad also offers plain-text styling via math-alpha conversion, although this feature isn’t newly added.  Users interested in

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Kent Karlsson wrote: > We already have a well-established standard for doing this kind of > things... I thought we were having this discussion because none of the existing methods, no matter how well documented, has been accepted on a widespread basis as "the" standard. Some people dislike

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Philippe Verdy replied to James Kass: > You're not very explicit about the Tag encoding you use for these > styles. Of course, it was Andrew West who implemented the styling mechanism in a beta release of BabelPad. James was just reporting on it. > And what is then the interest compared to

Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators

2019-01-29 Thread Egmont Koblinger via Unicode
Hi, Terminal emulators are a powerful tool used by many people for various tasks. Most terminal emulators' bugtracker has a request to add RTL / BiDi support. Unicode has supported BiDi for about 20 years now. Still, the intersection of these two fields isn't solved. Even some Unicode experts

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Martin J. Dürst wrote: > Here's a little dirty secret about these tag characters: They were > placed in one of the astral planes explicitly to make sure they'd use > 4 bytes per tag character, and thus quite a few bytes for any actual > complete tags. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2482 for

Re: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators

2019-01-29 Thread Adam Borowski via Unicode
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 01:50:31PM +0100, Egmont Koblinger via Unicode wrote: > Terminal emulators are a powerful tool used by many people for various > tasks. Most terminal emulators' bugtracker has a request to add RTL / > BiDi support. [...] > Some terminal emulators decided to run the BiDi

Re: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators

2019-01-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:50:31 +0100 > From: Egmont Koblinger via Unicode > > In turn, vim, emacs and friends stand there clueless, not knowing > how to do BiDi in terminals. This is inaccurate: Emacs (at least the brand known as "GNU Emacs") supports bidirectional editing in text terminals

Re: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators

2019-01-29 Thread Eli Zaretskii via Unicode
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 13:50:31 +0100 > From: Egmont Koblinger via Unicode > > [1] https://terminal-wg.pages.freedesktop.org/bidi/ Interesting document, thanks for writing it. My personal experience with bringing BiDi to Emacs led me to a firm conclusion that BiDi support by terminal

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread Kent Karlsson via Unicode
Yes, great. But as I've said, we've ALREADY got a default-ignorable-in-display (if implemented right) way of doing such things. And not only do we already have one, but it is also standardised in multiple standards from different standards institutions. See for instance "ISO/IEC 8613-6,

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread Andrew West via Unicode
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 01:55, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > > This bold new concept was not mine. When I tested it > here, I was using the tag encoding recommended by the developer. Congratulations James, you've successfully interchanged tag-styled plain text over the internet with no

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread Martin J . Dürst via Unicode
On 2019/01/24 23:49, Andrew West via Unicode wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 13:59, James Kass via Unicode > wrote: > We were told time and time again when emoji were first proposed that > they were required for encoding for interoperability with Japanese > telecoms whose usage had spilled over

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-29 Thread Martin J . Dürst via Unicode
On 2019/01/28 05:03, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > > A new beta of BabelPad has been released which enables input, storing, > and display of italics, bold, strikethrough, and underline in plain-text > using the tag characters method described earlier in this thread.  This > enhancement is