Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?

2001-02-05 Thread J M Sykes
I have heard a rumour (i.e. my source is not involved in the reported activity) that: quote SAP, PeopleSoft, Siebel, Oracle and others are actually in the process of proposing a new format of UTF that will cause a UTF-16 surrogate pair to become two 3-byte UTF-8 codepoints so that UTF-8 will

Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?

2001-02-05 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Using UTF-8 to handle characters in the supplementary planes by way of using two separate code points in the surrogate range is NOT considered acceptable. Currently it is legal to interpret them but *not* to generate them (multople refs on the Unicode site). Therefore, I hope you are mistaken

Bastardizations of UTF-8 (was: Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?)

2001-02-05 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-02-05 5:19:59 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have heard a rumour (i.e. my source is not involved in the reported activity) that: quote SAP, PeopleSoft, Siebel, Oracle and others are actually in the process of proposing a new format

Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?

2001-02-05 Thread Mark Davis
The topic came up in a UTC meeting some time ago, a "UTF-8S". The motivation was for performance (having a form that reproduces the binary order of UTF-16). We have yet to see a formal proposal for this, though. Mark - Original Message - From: "J M Sykes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Unicode

Macintosh OS8.6, OS9

2001-02-05 Thread P. T. Rourke
A communication with someone offlist (though I think he is on the list) suggested that Unicode is not supported at all in Macintosh OS8.6 or OS9, not even to the degree that it is supported in Windows 9x, except by means of Windows emulation (if I'm characterizing the message correctly; it is on

Re: Bastardizations of UTF-8 (was: Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?)

2001-02-05 Thread John O'Conner
Within a String, the encoding of char values is practically irrelevant. It is a hidden encoding that is never exposed to the user...or developer. When you access String char values, you use an index to 16-bit Unicode values. To my knowledge, Sun does not claim that its internal encoding of String

Re: Bastardizations of UTF-8 (was: Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?)

2001-02-05 Thread John Cowan
John O'Conner wrote: Within a String, the encoding of char values is practically irrelevant. It is a hidden encoding that is never exposed to the user...or developer. When you access String char values, you use an index to 16-bit Unicode values. To my knowledge, Sun does not claim that its

Re: Bastardizations of UTF-8 (was: Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?)

2001-02-05 Thread Tex Texin
John, It does impact developers. The API for DataInputStream defines FSS_UTF, which includes the funky null behavior. http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/docs/api/java/io/DataInputStream.html Since this API and other use this UTF, it gets into file formats and applications end up supporting

FW: Question on IBM's Unicode enabled product Support.

2001-02-05 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
-Original Message- From: William Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:45 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Question on Unicode enabled product Support. Hello...! Question: Has IBM OS/390 Ver 2.6, 2.7 or 2.9 MVS/ESA Operating support for

Re: Bastardizations of UTF-8 (was: Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?)

2001-02-05 Thread John O'Conner
Perhaps the methods readUTF and writeUTF should be deprecated in favor of read/writeString. I will submit an RFE (request for enhancement) for this. I noticed that although the Data{Input,Output} interface clearly says that the write/readUTF handles a "Java modified UTF-8". The actual javadoc in

Re: Bastardizations of UTF-8 (was: Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?)

2001-02-05 Thread Tex Texin
John, I am not clear from your comments which is the bug, since the doc goes both ways. Are the doc bugs that they say it is UTF-8, or that they say it is modified UTF-8? It would be great to learn that the functions are actually unmodified UTF-8, as I know of some interfaces that are writing

Re: Bastardizations of UTF-8 (was: Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?)

2001-02-05 Thread John Cowan
Tex Texin wrote: I am not clear from your comments which is the bug, since the doc goes both ways. Are the doc bugs that they say it is UTF-8, or that they say it is modified UTF-8? It uses modified UTF-8, modified in three ways: 1) U+ is encoded in two bytes as 0xc0 0x80; 2) values

Re: Macintosh OS8.6, OS9

2001-02-05 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn
-- "P. T. Rourke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] is rumored to have mumbled on Montag, 5. Februar 2001 8:47 Uhr -0800 regarding Macintosh OS8.6, OS9: A communication with someone offlist (though I think he is on the list) suggested that Unicode is not supported at all in Macintosh OS8.6 or OS9, It's not

Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?

2001-02-05 Thread Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:20:43 -0800 (GMT-0800), Mark Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] pisze: The topic came up in a UTC meeting some time ago, a "UTF-8S". The motivation was for performance (having a form that reproduces the binary order of UTF-16). This is unfair: it slows down the conversion UTF-8 -

Re: Macintosh OS8.6, OS9

2001-02-05 Thread Patrick T. Rourke
Thanks to everyone who responded, especially Mr. Hagedorn; as it is precisely the Extended Greek, Basic Greek, and Combining diacriticals blocks that interest me, this was very important information. Patrick Rourke Netscape, Internet Explorer and Icab (another browser for the MacOs) use UTF8

Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?

2001-02-05 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Unfortunately, the issue at this point is that some companies have either already accepted it or in the process of accepting it now. MichKa Michael Kaplan Trigeminal Software, Inc. http://www.trigeminal.com/ - Original Message - From: "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Macintosh OS8.6, OS9

2001-02-05 Thread Bertrand Laidain
The MacOs did support Unicode in 8.6 and 9.x, see Apple Type Services for Unicode Imaging Reference http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macos8/TextIntlSvcs/ATSUI/ATSUI_ref/index.html Handling Unicode Text Editing With Multilingual Text Engine

Re: Bastardizations of UTF-8 (was: Re: [OT] Unicode-compatible SQL?)

2001-02-05 Thread John O'Conner
Here's what I see about the Java API docs: 1. The Data{Input, Output}Stream methods {read, write}UTF could be named better. More appropriate names are {read, write}String. Strictly speaking, this is not a bug, but it could be better. That's why I call it an RFE (request for enhancement). 2.