Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-05-28, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: ... Again, just speaking about one platform (Windows) that seems to be in somewhat common use, the problem is that the underlying architecture doesn't support multiple dead keys on a single base character, nor does it support a fifth, sixth,

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/27/2012 5:52 PM, Michael Everson wrote: Get over it. Please just get over it. It doesn't matter. It's a blort. Time to agree with Michael. Get over it, is good advice here. Sovereign countries are free to decree currency symbols, whatever their motivation or the putative artistic or

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Michael Everson
On 29 May 2012, at 09:43, Asmus Freytag wrote: On 5/27/2012 5:52 PM, Michael Everson wrote: Get over it. Please just get over it. It doesn't matter. It's a blort. Time to agree with Michael. About Unifon? Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
Some of the features in those keyboard standards seem of sufficient complexity that I can't imagine anyone other than specially trained typists to ever be using them. That would presumably dampen the enthusiasm of anybody in the business of catering to average users. I'm basing that on

Flag tags (was: Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign)

2012-05-29 Thread Martin J. Dürst
On 2012/05/29 17:43, Asmus Freytag wrote: On 5/27/2012 5:52 PM, Michael Everson wrote: Get over it. Please just get over it. It doesn't matter. It's a blort. Time to agree with Michael. Get over it, is good advice here. Sovereign countries are free to decree currency symbols, whatever their

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Gewecke
On May 29, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Asmus Freytag wrote: Some of the features in those keyboard standards seem of sufficient complexity that I can't imagine anyone other than specially trained typists to ever be using them. Indeed, I suspect the future may lie elsewhere than in creating more

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-05-29 11:43, Asmus Freytag wrote: Sovereign countries are free to decree currency symbols, Everyone and his brother can decree a currency symbol, too, or some other symbol. The simple fact is, the usage scenario for currency symbols is such that immediate availability as character

[OT] Keyboard standards (was: Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee)

2012-05-29 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012 um 11:30 schrieb Asmus Freytag: AF Some of the features in those keyboard standards seem of sufficient AF complexity that I can't imagine anyone other than specially trained AF typists to ever be using them. Exactly this user group is the primary audience for whom at

Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Pravin Satpute
On सोमवार 28 मे 2012 02:47 म.नं., Szelp, A. Sz. wrote: Keyboard layouts are, to my best knowledge, not a matter of Unicode. Szabolcs On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Anand Kumar Sharma aksha...@cdac.in wrote: Hi I want to know that is current exact Position of Indian Rupee Symbol on

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/29/2012 1:58 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 29 May 2012, at 09:43, Asmus Freytag wrote: On 5/27/2012 5:52 PM, Michael Everson wrote: Get over it. Please just get over it. It doesn't matter. It's a blort. Time to agree with Michael. About Unifon? About the part quoted above, not below,

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: 2012-05-29 11:43, Asmus Freytag wrote: Sovereign countries are free to decree currency symbols, Everyone and his brother can decree a currency symbol, too, or some other symbol. I'm sorry but is that really a fair

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread William_J_G Overington
On Tuesday 29 May 2012, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: Everyone and his brother can decree a currency symbol, too, or some other symbol. I disagree with that statement on the basis that the word decree implies having the force of law. Certainly, anyone can invent a new symbol

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-05-29 20:19, William_J_G Overington wrote: If it were not done and, as a result of inconsistent encodings for a particular currency symbol in documents, at some future time there were to be chaos somewhere because a data file had been sent from one bank to another bank and the two banks

Re: Plese add a Chinese Hanzi

2012-05-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
How do you name that fish ? Danio or Devario ? An then how do you transliterate this phonetically in Chinese if you can't use the two ideographs in a simple row ? Note that the term Danio is vernacular and now deprecated, the classification has changed (and is still a research in progress)... So

Re: Plese add a Chinese Hanzi

2012-05-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/29 David Starner prosfil...@gmail.com: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: I think there's a little more to getting a new character encoded than this. Yes, but it would be nice if there were some way for people to get their characters encoded. As far as

Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Christopher Fynn
On 29/05/2012, Pravin Satpute psatp...@redhat.com wrote: I have not heard any news regarding mapping Rupee symbol on US English layout. I think US International keyboard layout is right one for discussion. [3] The US International keyboard layout is for a 102 key (International) keyboard. But

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/29/2012 10:31 AM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: It’s no more urgent than encoding a new phonetic or mathematical symbol or hieroglyph. You still have to allow ten years or so for delivery (i.e., for everything needed to make the symbol *reasonably* safe to use in information interchange and

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/28 Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de: Am Montag, 28. Mai 2012 um 19:02 schrieb Doug Ewell: DE ISO/IEC 9995-9 cannot be implemented natively on Microsoft Windows; it DE requires a third-party add-on package such as Keyman, which is not free. It is too early to blame Microsoft (or

Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/28 Anand Kumar Sharma aksha...@cdac.in: I came across one of the blog showing Rupee symbol on extreme left to character 1 refer this http://blog.foradian.com/rupee-foradian-keyboard-layout-type-the-india (Refer Keyboard picture) There is another way of typing Rupee symbol using

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Doug Ewell
Asmus Freytag asmusf at ix dot netcom dot com wrote: Sovereign countries are free to decree currency symbols, whatever their motivation or the putative artistic or typographic merits of the symbol in question. Not for Unicode to judge. The simple fact is, the usage scenario for currency

RE: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Doug Ewell
Philippe Verdy verdy underscore p at wanadoo dot fr wrote: DE ISO/IEC 9995-9 cannot be implemented natively on Microsoft DE Windows; it requires a third-party add-on package such as Keyman, DE which is not free. It is too early to blame Microsoft (or anybody else) on this. I do agree. When

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/29 Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org: Philippe Verdy verdy underscore p at wanadoo dot fr wrote: Did you read what I wrote? The *underlying architecture* of Windows key handling supports neither additional shift states nor multiple dead keys, both of which are required to support this

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-05-29, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Did you read what I wrote? The *underlying architecture* of Windows key handling supports neither additional shift states nor multiple dead keys, both of which are required to support this standard. A new version of MSKLC on top of the existing

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
2012/5/29 Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org I was specifically, and only, referring to a character proposal—any proposal—being dubbed urgent on the basis that a font hack has been identified. Just look what happened when the Japanese did their own font/character set hack. The backslash/yen problem

RE: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Doug Ewell
Julian Bradfield jcb plus unicode at inf dot ed dot ac dot uk wrote: Did you read what I wrote? The *underlying architecture* of Windows key handling supports neither additional shift states nor multiple dead keys, both of which are required to support this standard. A new version of MSKLC on

RE: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Doug Ewell
Roozbeh Pournader roozbeh at google dot com wrote: I was specifically, and only, referring to a character proposal—any proposal—being dubbed urgent on the basis that a font hack has been identified. Just look what happened when the Japanese did their own font/character set hack. The

Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Gewecke
On May 29, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Christopher Fynn wrote: putting the Rupee symbol on a 102 key type International keyboard would be of little benefit to the public there, unless hardware suppliers in India can be persuaded to supply the 102 key type of keyboard as standard. It really shouldn't

RE: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Constable
And Windows systems were updated in May 2011. (MS Office got updates in a similar time frame.) Peter -Original Message- From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Tom Gewecke Sent: May-28-12 6:41 AM To: Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: Exact

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/29/2012 12:42 PM, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: 2012/5/29 Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org mailto:d...@ewellic.org I was specifically, and only, referring to a character proposal—any proposal—being dubbed urgent on the basis that a font hack has been identified. Just look what happened

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/29/2012 12:00 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: Asmus Freytagasmusf at ix dot netcom dot com wrote: Sovereign countries are free to decree currency symbols, whatever their motivation or the putative artistic or typographic merits of the symbol in question. Not for Unicode to judge. The simple fact

Re: Unifon

2012-05-29 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 29/05/12 06:57, Benjamin M Scarborough a écrit : On May 28, 2012, at 01:52, Michael Everson wrote: There are many blorts. I've discovered some working with Unifon. I haven't exactly had much support from the UTC with what I've discovered. I've found the usual posturing about possible

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 29/05/12 13:12, Shriramana Sharma a écrit : I think today's software makes such propagation quick. For instance, the Indian Rupee sign officially announced on Aug 15, 2010, was released with *ubuntu 10.10 in Nov 2010. See http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release You’re right. I use Ubuntu

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 28/05/12 22:53, Doug Ewell a écrit : Karl Pentzlin wrote: As said in an earlier posting, the part 9995-9 is now in DIS, which means that its final version will be published 2013 or 2014. Thus, national standards referring to this part will hardly be published before 2015. Thus, there is

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-29 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-05-30 6:14, Jean-François Colson wrote: The main problem is that many people have an outdated system and don’t mind to update their fonts. That’s one part of the problem. Most people in the world just don’t update their fonts or even know how to do that. Many people even cannot do that

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 28/05/12 22:53, Doug Ewell a écrit : Karl Pentzlin wrote: As said in an earlier posting, the part 9995-9 is now in DIS, which means that its final version will be published 2013 or 2014. Thus, national standards referring to this part will hardly be published before 2015. Thus, there is