Re: Is the binaryness/textness of a data format a property?

On 2020-03-21, Eli Zaretskii via Unicode wrote: >> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:13:40 -0600 >> From: Doug Ewell via Unicode >> >> Adam Borowski wrote: >> >> > Also, UTF-8 can carry more than Unicode -- for example, U+D800..U+DFFF >> > or U+11000..U+7FFF (or possibly even up to 2³⁶ or 2⁴²),

Re: On the lack of a SQUARE TB glyph

On 2019-09-27, David Starner via Unicode wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 8:57 PM Fred Brennan via Unicode > wrote: [snip] >> There is no sequence of glyphs that could be logically mapped, unless you're >> telling me to request that the sequence T B be recommended for general >> interchange as

acute-macron hybrid?

The celebrated Bosworth-Toller dictionary of Anglo-Saxon uses a curious diacritic to mark long vowels. It may be described as a long shallow acute with a small down-tick at the right. It contrasts with an acute (quite steep in this typeface) used to mark accented short vowels. Both can be seen in

mildly OT from bidi - curious email

The current bidi discussion prompts me to post a curiosity I received today. I ordered something from a (UK) company, and the payment receipt came via Stripe. So far, so common. The curious thing is that the (entirely ASCII) company name was enclosed in a left-to-right direction, thus: Subject:

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

On 2019-01-27, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: > On 27 Jan 2019, at 05:21, Richard Wordingham > wrote: >> The closing single inverted comma has a different origin to the apostrophe. > No, it doesn’t, but you are welcome to try to prove your assertion. As far as I can tell from the easily

Re: Encoding italic

On 2019-01-21, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Consider superscript/subscript digits as a similar styling issue. The > Wikipedia page for Romanization of Chinese includes information about > the Wade-Giles system’s tone marks, which are superscripted digits. > >

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-15, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > This is not for Mongolian and French wanted this space since long and it > has a use even in English since centuries for fine typography. > So no, NNBSP is definitely NOT "exotic whitespace". It's just that it was > forgotten in the early stages

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-14, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Julian Bradfield wrote, > > I have never seen a Unicode math alphabet character in email > > outside this list. > > It's being done though.  Check this message from 2013 which includes the > following, copy/pasted from t

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-13, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > यदि आप किसी रोटरी फोन से कॉल कर रहे हैं, तो कृपया स्टार (*) दबाएं। > What happens with Devanagari text?  Should the user community refrain > from interchanging data because 1980s era software isn't Unicode aware? Devanagari is an established

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-14, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > 퐴푟푡 푛표푢푣푒푎푢 seems a bit 푝푎푠푠é nowadays, as well. > > (Had to use mark-up for that “span” of a single letter in order to > indicate the proper letter form.  But the plain-text display looks crazy > with that HTML jive in it.) Indeed. But _Art

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-13, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > As far as the information goes that was running until now on this List, > Mathematicians are both using TeX and liking the Unicode math alphabets. As Khaled has said, if they use them, it's because some software designer has decided to use

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-12, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > This is a math formula: > a + b = b + a > ... where the estimable "mathematician" used Latin letters from ASCII as > though they were math alphanumerics variables. Yup, and it's immediately understandable by anyone reading on any computer that

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-12, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:57:26 + (GMT) > Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: > >> It's also fundamentally misguided. When I _italicize_ a word, I am >> writing a word composed of (plain old) letters, and then styl

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-12, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Sounds like you didn't try it.  VS characters are default ignorable. By software that has a full understanding of Unicode. There is a very large world out there of software that was written before Unicode was dreamed of, let alone popular. >

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

On 2019-01-11, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Exactly.  William Overington has already posted a proof-of-concept here: > https://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=7831 > ... using a P.U.A. character /in lieu/ of a combining formatting or VS > character.  The concept is straightforward and

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

On 2018-11-02, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Alphabetic script users write things the way they are spelled and spell > things the way they are written.  The abbreviation in question as > written consists of three recognizable symbols.  An "M", a superscript > "r", and an equal sign (= two

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

On 2018-10-31, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > Preformatted Unicode superscript small letters are meeting the French > superscript  > requirement, that is found in: > http://www.academie-francaise.fr/abreviations-des-adjectifs-numeraux > (in French). This brief article focuses on the

Re: second attempt (was: A sign/abbreviation for "magister")

On 2018-10-31, Janusz S. =?utf-8?Q?Bie=C5=84?= via Unicode wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29 2018 at 12:20 -0700, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: [ as did I in private mail ] >> The abbreviation in the postcard, rendered in >> plain text, is "Mr". > > The relevant fragment of the postcard in a loose

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

On 2018-10-30, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: > Dr Bradfield just added on 30/10/2018 at 14:21 something that I didn’t > know when replying to Dr Ewell on 29/10/2018 at 21:27: >> The English abbreviation Mr was also frequently superscripted in the >> 15th-17th centuries, and that didn't

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

On 2018-10-30, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > (Still responding to Ken Whistler's post) > Do you know the difference between H₂SO₄ and H2SO4?  One of them is a > chemical formula, the other one is a license plate number. T̲h̲a̲t̲ is > not a stylistic difference /in my book/.  (Emphasis

Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

On 2018-08-20, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > Moreover, they [William's pronoun symbols] are once again an attempt to > shoehorn Overington's pet > project, "language-independent sentences/words," which are still > generally deemed out of scope for Unicode. I find it increasingly hard

Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process

On 2018-08-11, Charlotte Buff via Unicode wrote: > There is no semantic difference between a softball and a baseball. They are > literally the same object, just in slightly different sizes. There isn’t a > semantic difference between a squirrel and a chipmunk either (mainly > because they don’t

Re: 0027, 02BC, 2019, or a new character?

On 2018-01-26, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > Some systems (or admins) have been totally defeated by even the ASCII > version of ʹO’Sullivanʹ. That bodes ill for Kazakhs. The head (about to be ex-head) of my university is Sir Timothy O'Shea. On the student record

Re: Counting Devanagari Aksharas

On 2017-04-22, Eli Zaretskii via Unicode wrote: >> From: Richard Wordingham via Unicode [...] >> I've encountered the problem that, while at least I can search for >> text smaller than a cluster, there's no indication in the window of >> where in the

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 2017-04-12, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > 2017-04-12 8:35 GMT+02:00 Martin J. Dürst : >> On Go boards, the grid cells are definitely rectangular, not square. The >> reason for this is that boards are usually looked at at an angle, and >>

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

While I hesitate to dive in to this argument, Martin makes one comment where I think a point of principle arises: On 2017-03-27, =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J._D=c3=bcrst?= wrote: [Michael wrote] >> You know, Martin, I *have* been doing this for the last two decades. I’m >> well

Re: Combining solidus above for transcription of poetic meter

On 2017-03-17, Philippe Verdy <verd...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > 2017-03-17 18:27 GMT+01:00 Julian Bradfield <jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk>: > >> If you are happy to use a typographically normal combining breve for >> the unstressed syllables, you should be happy to use a t

Re: Combining solidus above for transcription of poetic meter

On 2017-03-17, Rebecca T <637...@gmail.com> wrote: > When transcribing poetic meter (scansion >), it is common to use two symbols > above the line (usually a breve [U+306 ̆] for stressed syllables and a > solidus > / slash [U+2F /] for unstressed

Re: The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back

On 2016-11-08, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > I've heard that there are similar questions regarding tengwar and cirth, > but it is notable that UTC *did* see fit to consider this question for > them and determine that they were worthy of encoding (they are on the > roadmap), even

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: > There are others, for example, in Dutch, the letter "v" and in "van" > is pronounced in dialects in continuous variations between [f] and > [v] depending on the timing of the fricative and the following > vowel. Continuous variation is a

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Michael Everson <ever...@evertype.com> wrote: > On 10 Oct 2016, at 21:58, Julian Bradfield <jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >> That's an interesting use of "proprietary" you have there, but I > You have to have special knowledge and special so

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg <haber...@telia.com> wrote: >> On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Julian Bradfield <jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >> What do you mean? The IPA in narrow transcription is intended to >> provide as detailed a description as a human mind can manage

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Michael Everson wrote: > I can’t use LaTeX notation. I don’t use that proprietary system. And don’t > you dare tell me that I am benighted, or using Word. Neither applies. That's an interesting use of "proprietary" you have there, but I suppose with your

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Not relevant! Here were'e not speaking about punctuation between words, but > inclusion within words in phonetic trancrtiptions where even word > separation is not always relevant and punctuation us almost absent. > There's no case in

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: > It is possible to write math just using ASCII and TeX, which was the original > idea of TeX. Is that want you want for linguistics? I don't see the need to do everything in plain text. Long ago, I spent a great deal of time getting my

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Michael Everson <ever...@evertype.com> wrote: > On 10 Oct 2016, at 21:04, Julian Bradfield <jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> Linguists don't need internationalization. They use IPA or other notations. > > We need reliable plain-text notatio

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: >> On 10 Oct 2016, at 21:42, Doug Ewell wrote: >> Hans Åberg wrote: >>> I think that IPA might be designed for broad phonetic transcriptions >>> [1], with a requirement to distinguish phonemes within each given >>> language.

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Philippe Verdy <verd...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > 2016-10-10 18:04 GMT+02:00 Hans Åberg <haber...@telia.com>: >> > On 10 Oct 2016, at 15:24, Julian Bradfield <jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk> >> wrote: >> > The alveolar click with percussive f

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg <haber...@telia.com> wrote: >> On 10 Oct 2016, at 15:24, Julian Bradfield <jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >> The alveolar click with percussive flap hasn't made it into the >> standard IPA, but in ExtIPA it's [ǃ¡] (preferably kerned t

Re: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-10, Hans Åberg wrote: > I think that IPA might be designed for broad phonetic transcriptions > [1], with a requirement to distinguish phonemes within each given > language. For example, the English /l/ is thicker than the Swedish, > but in IPA, there is only one

Re: Fwd: Why incomplete subscript/superscript alphabet ?

On 2016-10-07, Oren Watson wrote: > I scarcely think that a use case was submitted for every one of the > blackboard bold etc letters in the mathematical set; merely the use of > blackboard bold for a general purpose of denoting sets such as the > naturals, reals, complex

non-breaking snakes

See http://xkcd.com/1676/ (making sure to look at the mouse-over text) -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Re: Joined "ti" coded as "Ɵ" in PDF

On 2016-03-19, Don Osborn wrote: > The details may or may not be relevant to the list topic, but as a user > of documents in PDF format, I fail to see the benefit of such obscure > mappings. And as a creator of PDFs ("save as") looking at others' PDFs Aren't you just being

Re: Unicode in the Curriculum?

On 2015-12-31, Andre Schappo wrote: > I have been hitting my head against the Academic Brick Wall for > years WRT getting IT i18n and Unicode on the curriculum and I am > losing. I did teach a final year elective module on IT i18n but a > few months ago my University

Re: Unicode in passwords

On 2015-10-06, Philippe Verdy wrote: > I was speaking of OUTPUT fields : you want to display passwords that are > stored somewhere (including in a text document stored in some safe place > such as an external flash drive). People can't remember many passwords. Again, output

Re: Unicode in passwords

On 2015-10-06, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: > All browsers I use display spaces in input boxes, and put blobs for > hidden fields. Do you have evidence for broken input fields? > > > Network keys. That interface seems to consistently give people a > choice

Re: Unicode in passwords

On 2015-10-06, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Finally note that passwords are not necessarily single identifiers > (whitespaces and word separators are accepted, but whitespaces should > require special handling with trimming (at both ends) and compression of > multiple occurences.

Re: Unicode in passwords

On 2015-10-06, Philippe Verdy wrote: > I don't think it is a good idea for tectual passwords to make differences > based on the number of spaces. Being plain text they are likely to be > displayed in utser interfaces in a way that the user will not see. Without This is true

Re: Square Brackets with Tick

On 2015-08-22, Nigel Small ni...@nigelsmall.com wrote: 298D; 2990; o # LEFT SQUARE BRACKET WITH TICK IN TOP CORNER 298E; 298F; c # RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET WITH TICK IN BOTTOM CORNER 298F; 298E; o # LEFT SQUARE BRACKET WITH TICK IN BOTTOM CORNER 2990; 298D; c # RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET WITH TICK IN

Re: Windows keyboard restrictions

On 2015-08-06, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: That depends on the availability of Tavultesoft Keyman. The UK has been discussing whether a certain user-perceived character should be encoded as a single character in a new script. Users ought to have this character

a mug

I feel the following mug says something about a popular topic of debate on this list... http://www.redbubble.com/people/insider/works/15315362-i-3-unicode (do look at the picture, don't just infer from the url) -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with

Re: Tag characters and in-line graphics (from Tag characters)

On 2015-06-02, William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: take place if people on this mailing list feel that it is a good solution to the problem raised in section 8 of the following document. http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/tr51-2.html That section does not raise a

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

On 2015-03-29, Johnny Farraj johnnyfar...@yahoo.com wrote: Michael, Thanks for the swift response, and your interest. Your collaboration is greatly appreciated. Do you have any experience in submitting new Unicode character proposals? And/or with creating the reference copy of a symbol in

Why is BN weak?

I've been perusing the Bidi Algorithm, and I am wondering why the Boundary Neutral class is classified as a weak class rather than a neutral class. Can somebody explain? -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Re: Colour font, color font, colourfont, colorfont

On 2014-03-14, Alex Plantema alex.plant...@xs4all.nl wrote: Colouri(z|s)e isn't in my dictionary; colour is already a verb as well. Get a better dictionary. The word has been in the language more than four hundred years. It currently has a fairly common technical meaning of adding colour to old

Armenian typography, letter t

This isn't really a Unicode question at all, but I know this list is probably the best place to find the answer;-) I'm putting a snippet of Armenian into a lecture slide, and the font easily available to me renders the letter տ ARMENIAN SMALL LETTER TIWN with a descending middle vertical, as

Re: Posting Links to Ballots (was: RE: Why blackletter letters?)

On 2013-09-11, Whistler, Ken ken.whist...@sap.com wrote: [ lots ] Thank you for that explanation! Draft additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (4th edition) (WG2 N4459) http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2013/13151-n4459.pdf Interesting. I see that disunification of the remaining IPA greek

IPA Greek (was Re: Posting Links to Ballots (was: RE: Why blackletter letters?))

On 2013-09-12, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 12 Sep 2013, at 09:07, Julian Bradfield jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: Interesting. I see that disunification of the remaining IPA greek letters is proceeding by stealth - No, Julian. It's by design. Only theta remains. Hm

Re: IPA Greek

On 2013-09-12, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: Further clarification on this point was published in http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4296.pdf Thanks, that rather more than answers everything... Somehow I hadn't noticed that ʋ was there - and also bizarrely named, since as

Re: Latvian and Marshallese Ad Hoc Report (cedilla and comma below)

On 2013-06-19, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: The X11 restriction of one character per key stroke is not so easy to get round. Some applications don't cooperate with work-arounds such as ibus, and I find ibus unreliable enough that I want alternative methods for

Re: Rendering Raised FULL STOP between Digits

On 2013-03-10, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: The question is what users will demand. Expectations have been low enough that the loss of decimal points has been accepted. Additionally, striving for an apparently hard to get raised decimal point risks being forced to

Re: German »ß«

On 2013-02-17, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I was not citing empirical results but things that are regulated by legislation. No you weren't - you were making explicit claims that lowercase is harder to read than capitals. You said nothing about regulation. And your existing

Re: German »ß«

On 2013-02-16, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: 2013/2/16 Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com: Of course in my worldview, all-caps writing is deprecated :-) This is a presentation style which makes words more readable in some conditions, notably on plates displayed on roads

Re: German »ß«

On 2013-02-17, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: True lowercase letters are causing problems on road sign indicators on roads with high speed : they are hard to read and if the driver has to look at them for one more second, he does not look at the road. AS I SAID, empirical evaluation

Re: Public Review Issue 232 Proposed Update UAX #9, Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm (Copy of email sent to the list; also posted by me to unicode feedback/public review issue-- but this has not yet po

On 2013-02-02, Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com wrote: And sometimes there is no absorption but simply a hard constraint against semantic cooccurrence [sic about oo, which is really the All of which may be ignored by people with mathematical or programming training! One of the

Re: Text in composed normalized form is king, right? Does anyone generate text in decomposed normalized form?

On 2013-02-02, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 23:51:34 + (GMT) Julian Bradfield jcb+unic...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: ... But if you use a member of the Keyman family of inputs methods (I've been using Keyman for Linux (KMFL), you can set up

Re: Text in composed normalized form is king, right? Does anyone generate text in decomposed normalized form?

On 2013-02-01, Costello, Roger L. coste...@mitre.org wrote: So why would one ever generate text in decomposed form (NFD)? Text that I type is quite likely to be in decomposed (or at least not composed) form, because I find it a lot easier to have a few keystrokes for combining accents than to

Re: OT: Need howto info for typing accented chars on US keyboard in Linux

On 2013-01-13, Leslie Turriff jlturr...@centurytel.net wrote: I've been searching the web for information about how to type accented characters (French) using a US 104-key keyboard. I understand that a compose key is involved, but everything I've found so far has involved adding

Re: I missed my self-imposed deadline for the Mayan numeral proposal

On 2012-12-21, Clive Hohberger cp...@case.edu wrote: Don't worry, I think you now have another 5351 years until the next Mayan Doomsday... It's only 394 years till the next b'ak'tun. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number

Re: Caret

On 2012-11-12, QSJN 4 UKR qsjn4...@gmail.com wrote: A caret is a flashing line, block, or other picture in the client area of a window, it indicates the place (between two characters) at which text will be inserted (or the edge of the text to be selected or deleted). What does it mean?

Re: texteditors that can process and save in different encodings

On 2012-10-04, Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com wrote: In your experience, what are the best (plaintext) texteditors or word processors for Linux / Mac OS X / Windows that have the ability to *save* in many different encodings? Emacs doesn't suit your needs? -- The University of

Re: A strange symbol in a Soviet calendar

On 2012-09-04, Leo Broukhis l...@mailcom.com wrote: My question is about the symbol before the name Уот. Has anyone seen it before? Is it a NE arrow in a square or a spade? What does it mean? Might it simply be an arbitrary dingbat used to separate the list of associated saints from the list of

Re: User-Hostile Text Editing (was: Unicode String Models)

On 2012-07-21, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: Are there any widely available ways of enabling the deleting of the first character in a default grapheme cluster? Having carefully added two or more marks to a base character, I find it extremely irritating to find I

Re: UTF-8 BOM (Re: Charset declaration in HTML)

On 2012-07-16, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I am also convinced that even Shell interpreters on Linux/Unix should recognize and accept the leading BOM before the hash/bang starting line (which is commonly used for filetype identification and runtime behavior), without claiming that

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

On 2012-07-12, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 12 Jul 2012, at 22:20, Julian Bradfield wrote: But wanting to do so would be crazy. My mu-nu ligature is, as far as I know, used only by me (and co-authors who let me do the typesetting), and so if Unicode has any sanity left

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

On 2012-07-13, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 13 Jul 2012, at 11:07, Julian Bradfield wrote: So... U+1D7CC MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL MU NU LIGATURE, since it's published and (assuming the work is worthy; I cannot judge) might be cited by others. It *might*, by some hapless

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

[ Please don't copy me on replies; the place for this is the mailing list, not my inbox, unless you want to go off-list. ] On 2012-07-11, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: Unicode has added all the characters from TeX plus some, making it possible to use characters in the input file where

Re: UTF-8 BOM (Re: Charset declaration in HTML)

On 2012-07-12, Steven Atreju snatr...@googlemail.com wrote: In the future simple things like '$ cat File1 File2 File3' will no longer work that easily. Currently this works *whatever* file, and even program code that has been written more than thirty years ago will work correctly. No! You

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

On 2012-07-12, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: There are many characters that TeX users use that are not in Unicode. All standard characters from TeX, LaTeX, and AMSTeX should be there, What's a standard character? There's no such thing. To take a random entry from the LaTeX Symbol

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

On 2012-07-12, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: On 12 Jul 2012, at 12:33, Julian Bradfield wrote: In practice, no working mathematician is going to use the mathematical alphanumerical symbols to write maths in (La)TeX, because it's .. the Unicode mathematical symbol model does not match

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

Hans wrote: On 12 Jul 2012, at 15:54, Julian Bradfield wrote: .. Not to mention the symbols I've used from time to time, because You tell me, because I posted a request for missing characters in different forums. Perhaps you invented it after the standardization was made? Why on earth would I

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

On 2012-07-12, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: On 12 Jul 2012, at 16:06, Julian Bradfield wrote: On 2012-07-12, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: On 12 Jul 2012, at 12:33, Julian Bradfield wrote: In practice, no working mathematician is going to use the mathematical alphanumerical

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

On 2012-07-11, Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com wrote: There are a number of other incompatibilities between original TeX and Unicode: For example, ASCII letters are in TeX math mode typeset in italics, but Unicode has a mathematical italics style, so ASCII letters should be typeset upright

Re: Too narrowly defined: DIVISION SIGN COLON

On 2012-07-10, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On 7/10/2012 3:50 AM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: Asmus Freytag, Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:32:47 -0700: The European use (this is not limited to Scandinavia) Thanks. It seems to me that that this tradition is not without a link to the (also)

Re: Unicode Core

Asmus wrote: The Unicode Standard easily uses hundreds of fonts for the code charts, from a variety of sources. Despite what should theoretically work, not all systems can actually print every code chart. Some users cannot print certain of the existing PDFs on their systems, and POD providers

Re: Unicode Core

On 2012-06-21, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 21 Jun 2012, at 09:47, Raymond Mercier wrote: While I am very glad to have this, I really do wonder why there was not a full publication of Unicode 6 or 6.1 from the corporation itself, with all the charts, as we have had with

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

Szelp, A. Sz. wrote: Julian, if you look closely, it is not actually a turned s, but something created with a turned s in mind. In the very sort of the alphabet, the regular s has equal (or near-equal) top and bottom bowls. the turned one has an emphasized upper bowl, which of course stems from

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

But if that linked image contains the full alphabet, then there is no regular d, which would be confusable with the rotated p. So in fact, Yes, there is. Try reading the paragraph at the bottom of the page. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

On 2012-06-08, David Starner prosfil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Denis Jacquerye moy...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure it's not the opposite? Dorsey had a typewriter that didn't have his turned letters, so he used crossed lines below to indicate what letters should be

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

On 2012-06-07, Denis Jacquerye moy...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de I agree, we should avoid bad typography. But isn't a Latin chi (the IPA Latin chi being proposed) with Greek weights instead of Latin weights bad typography? Probably,

Re: Latin chi and stretched x

David Starner wrote: LATIN SMALL LETTER ROTATED P was used; see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BAE-Siouan_Alphabet.png . It has caused some whimpering among those trying to transcribe the text. Urk! And there's rotated s as well. Alright, I take it back. There is no limit to the

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

On 2012-05-28, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: ... Again, just speaking about one platform (Windows) that seems to be in somewhat common use, the problem is that the underlying architecture doesn't support multiple dead keys on a single base character, nor does it support a fifth, sixth,

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

On 2012-05-29, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Did you read what I wrote? The *underlying architecture* of Windows key handling supports neither additional shift states nor multiple dead keys, both of which are required to support this standard. A new version of MSKLC on top of the existing

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

On 2012-05-28, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Karl Pentzlin replied to Jukka K. Korpela: JKK I don’t think there will be any standard on [how to type INDIAN RUPEE SIGN on a U.S. English keyboard]. It is contained in the draft of ISO/IEC 9995-9 Multilingual, Multiscript Keyboard Group

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

On 2012-05-03, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 3 May 2012, at 17:35, Asmus Freytag wrote: But it would not give an answer to the underlying question, on whether such upright rendering would be the default choice - whether in its own script context, or whether in the context of

Re: Origins of ẘ

On 2012-05-16, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: The ring below is used in IPA but only under consonnants to make them voiceless. I don't know its usage under a vowel. Err, it makes them voiceless. E.g., in Japanese, Satsuki is [satsɯ̥ki]. -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

On 2012-05-01, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: than it is in English, except in neon). The examples you showed were made by people who hadn't thought about what they were doing. Since Don't you think the native speakers might know what they're doing? Canadian Syllabics characters

Re: Unihan database

On 2012-04-13, Martin Heijdra mheij...@princeton.edu wrote: But now they report that the radical-stroke page itself has changed to encodings rather than images; and the radicals are not in the standard fonts. Hence, the search pages (clicking on the number of strokes of the radical) shows

Re: Joining Arabic Letters

On 2012-03-30, Andreas Prilop prilop4...@trashmail.net wrote: I think a better idea is to have joining glyphs always even for different typefaces. At least the Unicode Standard should say what should happen when Arabic characters of different typefaces follow each other. How can it? Unicode

Re: [indic] Re: Tamil Anusvara (U+0B82) glyph shape [ Re: Dot position in Gurmukhi character U+0A33]

On 2012-02-09, srivas sinnathurai sisri...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: take it that by phonemes I mean different sounds. Now can you answer the 5 vowels as PoA in Tamil and numerous vowel sounds in day to day use in Tamil. clearly different sounds, not allophones massaging, not phoneme massaging.

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