Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-30 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 30/05/12 06:26, Jean-François Colson a écrit : Le 28/05/12 22:53, Doug Ewell a écrit : Karl Pentzlin wrote: As said in an earlier posting, the part 9995-9 is now in DIS, which means that its final version will be published 2013 or 2014. Thus, national standards referring to this part will

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-30 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:52:12 -0700 Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: And yes, of course it's possible to stack an entire new layer on top of the existing Windows key architecture, as Keyman does. Maybe that is the long-term solution, but I haven't heard that MS is planning to go that route.

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-05-28, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: ... Again, just speaking about one platform (Windows) that seems to be in somewhat common use, the problem is that the underlying architecture doesn't support multiple dead keys on a single base character, nor does it support a fifth, sixth,

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Asmus Freytag
Some of the features in those keyboard standards seem of sufficient complexity that I can't imagine anyone other than specially trained typists to ever be using them. That would presumably dampen the enthusiasm of anybody in the business of catering to average users. I'm basing that on

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Gewecke
On May 29, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Asmus Freytag wrote: Some of the features in those keyboard standards seem of sufficient complexity that I can't imagine anyone other than specially trained typists to ever be using them. Indeed, I suspect the future may lie elsewhere than in creating more

[OT] Keyboard standards (was: Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee)

2012-05-29 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012 um 11:30 schrieb Asmus Freytag: AF Some of the features in those keyboard standards seem of sufficient AF complexity that I can't imagine anyone other than specially trained AF typists to ever be using them. Exactly this user group is the primary audience for whom at

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/28 Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.de: Am Montag, 28. Mai 2012 um 19:02 schrieb Doug Ewell: DE ISO/IEC 9995-9 cannot be implemented natively on Microsoft Windows; it DE requires a third-party add-on package such as Keyman, which is not free. It is too early to blame Microsoft (or

RE: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Doug Ewell
Philippe Verdy verdy underscore p at wanadoo dot fr wrote: DE ISO/IEC 9995-9 cannot be implemented natively on Microsoft DE Windows; it requires a third-party add-on package such as Keyman, DE which is not free. It is too early to blame Microsoft (or anybody else) on this. I do agree. When

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
2012/5/29 Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org: Philippe Verdy verdy underscore p at wanadoo dot fr wrote: Did you read what I wrote? The *underlying architecture* of Windows key handling supports neither additional shift states nor multiple dead keys, both of which are required to support this

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-05-29, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Did you read what I wrote? The *underlying architecture* of Windows key handling supports neither additional shift states nor multiple dead keys, both of which are required to support this standard. A new version of MSKLC on top of the existing

RE: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Doug Ewell
Julian Bradfield jcb plus unicode at inf dot ed dot ac dot uk wrote: Did you read what I wrote? The *underlying architecture* of Windows key handling supports neither additional shift states nor multiple dead keys, both of which are required to support this standard. A new version of MSKLC on

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 28/05/12 22:53, Doug Ewell a écrit : Karl Pentzlin wrote: As said in an earlier posting, the part 9995-9 is now in DIS, which means that its final version will be published 2013 or 2014. Thus, national standards referring to this part will hardly be published before 2015. Thus, there is

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-29 Thread Jean-François Colson
Le 28/05/12 22:53, Doug Ewell a écrit : Karl Pentzlin wrote: As said in an earlier posting, the part 9995-9 is now in DIS, which means that its final version will be published 2013 or 2014. Thus, national standards referring to this part will hardly be published before 2015. Thus, there is

[OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-28 Thread Doug Ewell
Karl Pentzlin replied to Jukka K. Korpela: JKK I don’t think there will be any standard on [how to type INDIAN RUPEE SIGN on a U.S. English keyboard]. It is contained in the draft of ISO/IEC 9995-9 Multilingual, Multiscript Keyboard Group Layouts which is currently being submitted to DIS

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-28 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-05-28, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Karl Pentzlin replied to Jukka K. Korpela: JKK I don’t think there will be any standard on [how to type INDIAN RUPEE SIGN on a U.S. English keyboard]. It is contained in the draft of ISO/IEC 9995-9 Multilingual, Multiscript Keyboard Group

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-28 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Montag, 28. Mai 2012 um 19:02 schrieb Doug Ewell: DE ISO/IEC 9995-9 cannot be implemented natively on Microsoft Windows; it DE requires a third-party add-on package such as Keyman, which is not free. It is too early to blame Microsoft (or anybody else) on this. The ISO/IEC 9995 series does

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-28 Thread Doug Ewell
Julian Bradfield wrote: ISO/IEC 9995-9 cannot be implemented natively on Microsoft Windows; it requires a third-party add-on package such as Keyman, which is not free. I don't understand this remark. Microsoft Windows is not free, so what does it matter whether there's a free addon or not?

Re: [OT] Re: Exact positioning of Indian Rupee symbol according to Unicode Technical Committee

2012-05-28 Thread Doug Ewell
Karl Pentzlin wrote: As said in an earlier posting, the part 9995-9 is now in DIS, which means that its final version will be published 2013 or 2014. Thus, national standards referring to this part will hardly be published before 2015. Thus, there is enough time for any manufacturer of