RE: New characters query (Hexagrams)

2001-07-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Christopher John Fynn wrote: (Couldn't a ZWJ be used as a way of joining two trigrams as a hexagram?) No! :'-(( Please don't overpollute the ZWJ. There's already more semantics to that codepoint that one can simply count on her/his fingers... roozbeh

Re: New characters query

2001-07-03 Thread Rick McGowan
I don't think there's any point in encoding 64 hexagrams; especially when we have the pieces already. Use the pieces of three and position them with a drawing program. We don't have combining thingies for putting chess pieces on board squares, either. Rick

Re: New characters query

2001-07-03 Thread Richard Cook
Rick McGowan wrote: I don't think there's any point in encoding 64 hexagrams; especially when we have the pieces already. Use the pieces of three and position them with a drawing program. We don't have combining thingies for putting chess pieces on board squares, either. Hi Rick, I

Re: New characters query

2001-07-03 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 04:16 PM 7/2/2001, Michael Everson wrote: At 12:33 -0700 2001-07-02, Edward Cherlin wrote: Has anyone proposed the following for inclusion in Unicode? If so, what is their status? Daoist Hexagrams, 64 forms (the trigrams are already included, but with no combining mechanism) You're welcome

Hexagrams (was Re: New characters query)

2001-07-03 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 11:18 PM 7/2/2001, Rick McGowan wrote: I don't think there's any point in encoding 64 hexagrams; especially when we have the pieces already. Use the pieces of three and position them with a drawing program. We don't have combining thingies for putting chess pieces on board squares, either.

RE: New characters query (Hexagrams)

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher John Fynn
Richard Cook wrote: --A: They are compositionally formed from the 8 trigrams. Rebuttal: By this reasoning, the 8 trigrams themselves ought not to have been encoded, since the 8 trigrams can be generated from simple broken and unbroken lines. This alone is not a reason to encode them, but

Re: New characters query

2001-07-03 Thread Richard Cook
Another list member mentioned (off-list) the system of 9 bigrams and 81 tetragrams. These appear in the text of a book called [U+592a][U+7384][U+7d93] Tai Xuan Jing by [U+63da][U+96c4] Yang Xiong.(c.53BC-c.18AD). Where the 64 hexagrams are based on a binary system, the 81 tetragrams are based

Re: New characters query

2001-07-03 Thread Michael Everson
I think the absence of the 64 hexagrams is a mistake, and the idea of composing them out of the trigrams (or of composing the trigrams out of pieces either) is extremely silly. Sorry, Rick, but there are things one can decompose and things one cannot. These are semantic entities, regardless

RE: New characters query (Hexagrams)

2001-07-03 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 11:40 AM 7/3/2001, Christopher John Fynn wrote: Richard Cook wrote: --A: They are compositionally formed from the 8 trigrams. Rebuttal: By this reasoning, the 8 trigrams themselves ought not to have been encoded, since the 8 trigrams can be generated from simple broken and

Re: New characters query

2001-07-03 Thread Michael Everson
At 23:18 -0700 2001-07-02, Rick McGowan wrote: I don't think there's any point in encoding 64 hexagrams; especially when we have the pieces already. Use the pieces of three and position them with a drawing program. That isn't plain text. We don't have combining thingies for putting chess

RE: New characters query (Hexagrams)

2001-07-03 Thread Michael Everson
At 13:59 -0700 2001-07-03, Edward Cherlin wrote: But I thought proposals for characters with decompositions into existing characters are no longer being accepted. True for accented letters where the combining marks already exist, but I don't think we want to have two sets of trigrams, one

Re: New characters query

2001-07-03 Thread Richard Cook
John Cowan wrote: Rick McGowan scripsit: I don't think there's any point in encoding 64 hexagrams; especially when we have the pieces already. Use the pieces of three and position them with a drawing program. We don't have combining thingies for putting chess pieces on board

Re: New characters query (Hexagrams)

2001-07-03 Thread Richard Cook
Michael Everson wrote: At 13:59 -0700 2001-07-03, Edward Cherlin wrote: But I thought proposals for characters with decompositions into existing characters are no longer being accepted. True for accented letters where the combining marks already exist, but I don't think we want to

Re: New characters query

2001-07-02 Thread $B$F$s$I$&$j$e$&$8(B
$B$i$s$^(B $B!z$8$e$&$$$C$A$c$s!z(B $B!!!_$"$+$M(B $B!(B: Re: New characters query At 12:33 -0700 2001-07-02, Edward Cherlin wrote: Has anyone proposed the following for inclusion in Unicode? If so, what is their status? Daoist Hexagrams, 64 forms (the

Re: New characters query

2001-07-02 Thread Richard Cook
Michael Everson wrote: At 12:33 -0700 2001-07-02, Edward Cherlin wrote: Has anyone proposed the following for inclusion in Unicode? If so, what is their status? Daoist Hexagrams, 64 forms (the trigrams are already included, but with no combining mechanism) You're welcome to, if you

Re: New characters query

2001-07-02 Thread John H. Jenkins
At 7:07 PM -0700 7/2/01, Richard Cook wrote: Evidence? There's ample evidence, starting c. 1000 BC, with [U+5468][U+6613] _Zhou Yi_ (aka _Yi Jing_ aka _I Ching_ aka _The Book of Changes_), an artifact of the Zhou Dynasty ... I agree with Richard here. It's silly to have the trigrams and not

Re: New characters query

2001-07-02 Thread Jon Babcock
John H. Jenkins wrote: At 7:07 PM -0700 7/2/01, Richard Cook wrote: Evidence? There's ample evidence, starting c. 1000 BC, with [U+5468][U+6613] _Zhou Yi_ (aka _Yi Jing_ aka _I Ching_ aka _The Book of Changes_), an artifact of the Zhou Dynasty ... I agree with Richard here. It's silly

Re: 64 Hexagrams, was re: New characters query

2001-07-02 Thread Richard Cook
John H. Jenkins wrote: At 7:07 PM -0700 7/2/01, Richard Cook wrote: Evidence? There's ample evidence, starting c. 1000 BC, with [U+5468][U+6613] _Zhou Yi_ (aka _Yi Jing_ aka _I Ching_ aka _The Book of Changes_), an artifact of the Zhou Dynasty ... I agree with Richard here. It's silly

Re: New characters query

2001-07-02 Thread Richard Cook
John H. Jenkins wrote: At 7:07 PM -0700 7/2/01, Richard Cook wrote: Evidence? There's ample evidence, starting c. 1000 BC, with [U+5468][U+6613] _Zhou Yi_ (aka _Yi Jing_ aka _I Ching_ aka _The Book of Changes_), an artifact of the Zhou Dynasty ... I agree with Richard here. It's silly