Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 3/9/2018 9:29 AM, via Unicode wrote: Documented increase such as scientific terms for new elements, flora and fauna, would seem to be not more one or two dozen a year. Indeed. Of the "urgently needed characters" added to the unified CJK ideographs for Unicode 11.0, two were obscure

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Dear Richard, On 09.03.2018 07:06, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 09:42:38 +0800 via Unicode wrote: to the best of my knowledge virtually no new characters used just for names are under consideration, all the ones that are under consideration

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 09.03.2018 09:17, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: This still leaves the question about how to write personal names ! IDS alone cannot represent them without enabling some "reasonable" ligaturing (they dont have to match the exact strokes variants for optimal placement, or with all possible

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 2018/03/09 10:22, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: As well how Chinese/Japanese post offices handle addresses written with sinograms for personal names ? Is the expanded IDS form acceptable for them, or do they require using Romanized addresses, or phonetic approximations (Bopomofo in China,

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 2018/03/09 10:17, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: This still leaves the question about how to write personal names ! IDS alone cannot represent them without enabling some "reasonable" ligaturing (they don't have to match the exact strokes variants for optimal placement, or with all possible

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

As well how Chinese/Japanese post offices handle addresses written with sinograms for personal names ? Is the expanded IDS form acceptable for them, or do they require using Romanized addresses, or phonetic approximations (Bopomofo in China, Kanas in Japan, Hangul in Korea) ? 2018-03-09 2:17

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

This still leaves the question about how to write personal names ! IDS alone cannot represent them without enabling some "reasonable" ligaturing (they don't have to match the exact strokes variants for optimal placement, or with all possible simplifications). I'm curious to know how China, Taiwan,

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 09:42:38 +0800 via Unicode wrote: > to the best of my knowledge virtually no new characters used just for > names are under consideration, all the ones that are under > consideration are from before this century. What I was interested in was the rate of

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 08.03.2018 06:18, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: Additional note: the UCS will never large enough to support the personal signatures of billions Chinese people living today or born since milleniums, or jsut those to be born in the next century. Theres a need to represent these names

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Dear Phillip On 08.03.2018 05:12, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: So most of the growth in Han characters is caused by people inventing and registering new sinograms for their own names, using the basic principles of combining a phonogram and a distinctive semantic character. This is not

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Dear Richard, to the best of my knowledge virtually no new characters used just for names are under consideration, all the ones that are under consideration are from before this century. Some are only being submitted now, but that does not mean they are new in real life, just new to Unicode.

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 7 March 2018 at 22:18, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > > Additional note: the UCS will never large enough to support the personal > signatures of billions Chinese people living today or born since milleniums, > or jsut those to be born in the next century. There's a

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Additional note: the UCS will never large enough to support the personal signatures of billions Chinese people living today or born since milleniums, or jsut those to be born in the next century. There's a need to represent these names using composed strings. A reasonable compositing/ligaturing

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Note: I don't advocate "duplicate encoding" as you think. But probably the current IDS model is not sufficient to describe characters correctly, and that it may be augmented a bit (using variant codes or some additional joiners or diacritics?). But IDS strings are suitable for rendering as

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

I'm just speaking about the many yearly inventions of sinograms for personal/proper names, not about the ues of traditional characters for normal language. People just start by assembling components with common rules. Then they enhance the produced character just like we personalize signatures.

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 3/7/2018 1:12 PM, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: Shouldn't we create a variant of IDS, using combining joiners between Han base glyphs (then possibly augmented by variant selectors if there are significant differences on the simplification of rendered strokes for each component) ? What

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

So most of the growth in Han characters is caused by people inventing and registering new sinograms for their own names, using the basic principles of combining a phonogram and a distinctive semantic character. It's like if we were encoding in the UCS the personal handwritten signatures with our

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:42:15 +0800 via Unicode wrote: > In most cases the answer to the above may well be the same, the > unencoded names of people and places are not new names, How many new characters are being devised per year? Richard.

Re: CJK Ideograph Encoding Velocity (was: Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!)

Dear Ken, the context of the question was how many characters in modern use are being encoded. Part of the answer is that there are several thousand Chinese characters that are names of people on places to be encoded. The limit of 1,000 characters a working set per member was for workings set

CJK Ideograph Encoding Velocity (was: Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!)

John, I think this may be giving the list a somewhat misleading picture of the actual statistics for encoding of CJK unified ideographs. The "500 characters a year" or "1000 characters a year" limits are administrative limits set by the IRG for national bodies (and others) submitting

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Dear All, here is reply to points one and two. On 05.03.2018 16:57, Phake Nick via Unicode wrote: 在 2018年3月5日週一 13:25，Martin J. Dürst via Unicode 寫道： Hello John, On 2018/03/01 12:31, via Unicode wrote: > Pen, or brush and paper is much more flexible. With

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Dear All, to simplify discussion I have split the points. On 05.03.2018 16:57, Phake Nick via Unicode wrote: 在 2018年3月5日週一 13:25，Martin J. Dürst via Unicode 寫道： Hello John, On 2018/03/01 12:31, via Unicode wrote: Third, I cannot confirm or deny the "500 characters

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

ah right that's it. 2018年3月5日 19:25 於 "James Kass" 寫道： Phake Nick wrote, > In latin script, as an example, I can simply name myself > "Phake", but in Chinese with current Unicode-based environment, > it would not be possible for me to randomly name myself using > a

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Phake Nick wrote, > In latin script, as an example, I can simply name myself > "Phake", but in Chinese with current Unicode-based environment, > it would not be possible for me to randomly name myself using > a character ⿰牜爲 Isn't that U+246E8? "䛨"

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

在 2018年3月5日週一 13:25，Martin J. Dürst via Unicode 寫道： > Hello John, > > On 2018/03/01 12:31, via Unicode wrote: > > > Pen, or brush and paper is much more flexible. With thousands of names > > of people and places still not encoded I am not sure if I would describe > > hans

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Hello John, On 2018/03/01 12:31, via Unicode wrote: Pen, or brush and paper is much more flexible. With thousands of names of people and places still not encoded I am not sure if I would describe hans (simplified Chinese characters) as well supported. nor with current policy which limits

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

No, the patterns should always have the right format. However, in the supplemental data there is information as to the preferred data for each language. This data isn't collected through the ST, so a ticket needs to be filed. In your particular case, the data has: If DE just doesn't use hB,

RE: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

F'up2: cldr-us...@unicode.org Doug Ewell via unicode@unicode.org: > > I think that is a measurement of locale coverage -- whether the > collation tables and translations of "a.m." and "p.m." and "a week ago > Thursday" are correct and verified -- not character coverage. By the way, the binary

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Right, Doug. I'll say a few more words. In terms of language support, encoding of new characters in Unicode benefits mostly digital heritage languages (via representation of historic languages in Unicode, enabling preservation and scholarly work), although there are some modern-use cases like

RE: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Tim Partridge wrote: > Perhaps the CLDR work the Consortium does is being referenced. That is > by language on this list > http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/32/supplemental/locale_coverage.html#ee > By the time it gets to the 100th entry the Modern percentage has "room > for improvement". I

RE: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

ards, Tim From: Unicode [unicode-boun...@unicode.org] on behalf of James Kass via Unicode [unicode@unicode.org] Sent: 01 March 2018 11:11 To: Unicode Public Subject: Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption! Here's a good opening line: "The Unicode S

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Here's a good opening line: "The Unicode Standard encodes scripts rather than languages." https://www.unicode.org/standard/supported.html But, quoting from this page: http://www.unicode.org/consortium/aboutdonations.html " ... and provide universal access for the world's languages—past,

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Christoph Päper wrote, >> There are approximately 7,000 living human languages, >> but fewer than 100 of these languages are well-supported on computers, >> ... > > Why is the announcement mentioning those numbers of languages at all? > The script coverage of written living human languages,

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 01.03.2018 06:33, Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: 2018-02-28 14:22 GMT+01:00 Christoph Päper via Unicode : There are approximately 7,000 living human languages, but fewer than 100 of these languages are well-supported on computers, mobile phones, and other

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

2018-02-28 14:22 GMT+01:00 Christoph Päper via Unicode : > > There are approximately 7,000 living human languages, > > but fewer than 100 of these languages are well-supported on computers, > > mobile phones, and other devices. Fewer than 100 languages is a bit small, I

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 28 February 2018 at 13:22, Christoph Päper via Unicode wrote: >> >> The 157 new Emoji are now available for adoption > > But Unicode 11.0 (which all new emojis but Pirate Flag and Infinity rely > upon) is not even in beta yet. Don't even get me started on that! >> There

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 28 February 2018 at 10:48, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: >> >>> The 157 new Emoji are now available for adoption, to help the Unicode >>> Consortium’s work on digitally disadvantaged languages. >> >> I'm quite curious what it the relation between the new emojis and

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

announceme...@unicode.org: > > The 157 new Emoji are now available for adoption > , But Unicode 11.0 (which all new emojis but Pirate Flag and Infinity rely upon) is not even in beta yet.

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

I'm more interested in what areas you found unclear, because wherever you did I'm sure many others would as well. You can reply off-list if you want. Mark Mark On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Janusz S. Bień wrote: > > Thanks to all who answered. The answers are very

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Thanks to all who answered. The answers are very clear, but the original message and the adoption page are in my opinion much less clear. I can however live with it :-) Best regards Janusz On Wed, Feb 28 2018 at 11:53 +0100, m...@macchiato.com writes: > Also, please click through from the

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

Also, please click through from the announcement to http://www.unicode.org/consortium/adopt-a-character.html. If it isn't apparent from that page what the relationship is, we have some work to do... Mark On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote:

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On 2018/02/28 19:38, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: On Tue, Feb 27 2018 at 13:45 -0800, announceme...@unicode.org writes: The 157 new Emoji are now available for adoption, to help the Unicode Consortium’s work on digitally disadvantaged languages. I'm quite curious what it the relation

Re: Unicode Emoji 11.0 characters now ready for adoption!

On Tue, Feb 27 2018 at 13:45 -0800, announceme...@unicode.org writes: > The 157 new Emoji are now available for adoption, to help the Unicode > Consortium’s work on digitally disadvantaged languages. I'm quite curious what it the relation between the new emojis and the digitally disadvantages